12 killed at a college Country Bar! Angry liberal?


#21

Thanks, look forward to see if it’s a robbery… who knows :+1:


#22

The shooter-dressed in black-reportedly threw several smoke grenades in a bar filled with college kids. Thirteen dead. Shooter also deceased. In a bar known as a country line-dancing venue, in Thousand Oaks, Ventura County, Ca. Motive…? via @nytimes


#23

Which tells us noting new or that gives us any clue as to who the shooter was or what motivated him.


#24

There are numerous studies on population density and the effects on people.

Researchers in the social sciences have long tried to explain the effects of urbanization on the human animal. Of special interest has been the observed rates of crime and deviant behavior found in cities. In the United States city crime rates are higher than suburban rates, which in turn are higher than rural rates. Studies on animals as well as observations of human behavior have been used to examine density and human pathology, but results have been mixed. Regoeczi shows that the effect of crowding on human behavior is non-linear. Further, people who suffer from the effects of crowding self-select into lower density living conditions to self-treat their condition.

Two major theories have developed to explain the effects of density on human behavior. Wirth’s (1938) is the most common with his famous statement that size, density and heterogenity explain the effects of urban life on the human animal. The experiments done by Milgram (1970) suggest that when people are confronted with a large number of strangers in everyday life, they tend to withdraw and take less interest in the community in order to protect themselves from overload. Wolfgang (1970), among others, suggests that urban withdrawal and anomie resulting from density explains higher urban crime rates.

Animal studies made famous by Calhoun (1962) show that crowding in the animal world results in what he calls the behavioral sink. Normal behavior and reproductive habits fail. Aggressive behavior increases when density passes a certain point as animals compete for resources. In the experience of the reviewer, those who deny any possible connection between any human behavior simply say that humans are not animals so there can be nothing learned from animal experiments. However, human animals do seem to exhibit much lower fertility rates in cities than is true in rural areas.

Those who have looked empirically at human behavior and density (or crowding) have come to different conclusions. Regoeczi states that the inconsistent results that plague the density literature are due to a misspecification of how density effects operate. In particular, there are several issues with respond to how density effects are specified that, left unaddressed, lead to serious misrepresentations of the relationship of density to pathology. These issues pertain to self-selection and nonlinear effects of density on social behavior (p. 507).

Using data from the Toronto Mental Health and Stress study (Turner and Wheaton 1992), Regoeczi looks at crowding in housing using the measure of persons per room. Measures of withdrawal came from questionnaire responses to a series of questions about showing affection and love. Aggression was measured from a series of questions asking about how aggressive people felt towards other. Control variables included marital status, household income, ethnicity and gender. Structural equations developed by Bollen (1995) were used to detect nonlinear relationships.

A graph of the relationship between crowding and withdrawal (see link) shows a nonlinear relationship.

There is an optimal relationship between crowding and withdrawal. The optimal point is 1.18 persons per room. This relationship holds even when the control variables are introduced. “The threshold for aggression is identical to that for withdrawal: 1.18 persons per room. After this point, the deleterious effect of density begins to take off and increased crowding leads to more aggressive responses among individuals.” (p. 521.)

Additional analysis was done to see the effects of self-selection and crowded conditions. The author finds that individuals with problems with aggressive or withdrawal behavior also self select themselves into lower density housing. This result has in the past tended to lower the correlations which exist between aggression and crowding, hiding the relationship if self selection is not taken into account.

In conclusion, not only does self selection tend to hide the relationship between aggression and crowding so also the tendency in the social sciences to use correlations to measure effect tends to hide the actual situation. “In particular, if the relationship is modeled as linear when it is in fact nonlinear, the significance of the effects of density are likely to be to understated or missed entirely.” (p. 525).

http://www.ncsociology.org/crowding.htm


#25

Mass shootings like all crimes are the result of a poison in the country’s zeitgeist.

No law can fix broken men.


#26

Tells me something… thanks though look forward to the robbery attempt


#27

Driver 29 drove mommy’s car to the shooting hmmm


#28

What bothers me is that they know who this guy is… they just have not released details. I am beginning to think that we are going to see this happen more and more often and when they do release ‘details’… his/her online history will be conveniently deleted. No sense in allowing political or ideological views to cloud anyones judgment.


#29

Authorities have not disclosed the suspect’s name, but a law enforcement source told The Times that he was 29-year-old man armed with a Glock .45 handgun and some type of smoke device. He drove his mother’s car to the attack and said nothing upon entering the bar, the source said.

The gun was purchased in Ventura County, the source said.

Authorities said the man was heavily tattooed and had a beard but apparently didn’t have identification on him.

Police detectives are trying to determine a motive. “We have no idea if there’s a terrorism link,” Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean said Thursday.

No ID but the police said he was 29. No ID but he drove his mother’s car. How in the hell would they know this when he never had a ID on him?


#30

I raised my eyebrows to the very same and instant thought…


#31

Now one witness in the bar is saying the shooter looked middle eastern.


#32

Suspect identified as Ian David Long

The suspected gunman in last night’s deadly shooting has been identified as 28-year-old Ian David Long, according to Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean.

Long, a US Marine Corps veteran, used a .45 caliber Glock during the shooting, the sheriff said.

Authorities had “minor” run-ins with Long in the past, Dean said. Here’s how he described them:

“We’ve had several contacts with Mr. Long over the years, minor events, a traffic collision. He was a victim of a battery at a local bar in 2015. In April of this year, deputies were called to his house for a subject disturbing. They went to the house, they talked to him. He was somewhat irate. Acting a little irrationally. They called out our crisis intervention team, our mental health specialists who met with him, talked to him and cleared him. Didn’t feel he was qualified to be taken under 5150. And he was left at that scene last April,” the sheriff said.


#33

Pretty simple, car registration, talk to owner who says, that guy was my 29 year old son.


#34

The more PC THIS country gets the more built up oppression people feel…we need to end this holding in how we feel because we will offed you bull shit!


#35

I agree with you. It’s wrong to immediately politicize horrible things like this and draw conclusions. I don’t like it when the left does it, and the right shouldn’t either.


#36

A BAR WHERE REPUBLICANS DANCE, OR A BASEBALL FIELD, THESE ACTS ARE DONE BY DEMOCRATS. ALL ASSASSINATIONS OF PRESIDENTS STARTING WITH ABRAHAM LINCOLN. ALL MASS SHOOTINGS DONE BY DEMOCRATS. OVER 800 ATTACKS ON TRUMP SUPPORTERS SINCE ELECTIONS. SO MY SAFE BET, SHOOTER A DEMOCRAT.

Bet we will find out soon.


#37

why is trying to understand these kinds of bizarre things seen as merely “political”???

get outa here w/ that…


#38

should i feel guilty for LOLg?

I never have liked it either… give me Foreigner or Yes or whatever…


#39

Or he was just pissed at someone in the place or the place itself.


#40

Or was it a robbery lol