A death blow for UNIONS?


#1

A $45 monthly fee could end up costing big labor billions. Public unions are getting nervous, while those who don’t like how they operate are claiming the free lunch may be over soon.
Petitioner Mark Janus works at the Illinois Department of Healthcare and Family Services and didn’t like that a certain amount was deducted from his paycheck — he didn’t believe he should be forced to pay union dues or fees just to be allowed to work for the state. He didn’t agree with the 1.3 million-member AFSCME union’s politics, and so believed, under the First Amendment, he couldn’t be forced to contribute.


#2

Mr Janus is being absolutely Greedy. He wants his cake and eat it too.
If he doesn’t appreciate the wages and benefits the Union negotiated for him, let give all of it back and negotiate himself. He probably doesn’t like the grievance process that protects his Ass if disciplined.
I don’t agree with the Unions political stance being Socialist in nature .He is probably a Scab who would backstab fellow workers during a strike .
There’s good and bad in everything but decent wages and benefits are Not the result of management’s benevolence.
He should pay the dues for wages and benefits he has from the union except for their political contributions
$45 isn’t to much to ask for.


#3

When a union becomes an activist union paying politics the union members dues are wasted on political causes not on supporting the union member.

Then again, why should any person working for any government be unionized.

“It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”

That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany – the former president of the A.F.L.-C.I.O – in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd.

Public sector unions insist on laws that serve their interests -- at the expense of the common good. 

The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.”

Government collective bargaining means voters do not have the final say on public policy. Instead their elected representatives must negotiate spending and policy decisions with unions. That is not exactly democratic – a fact that unions once recognized.

George Meany was not alone. Up through the 1950s, unions widely agreed that collective bargaining had no place in government. But starting with Wisconsin in 1959, states began to allow collective bargaining in government. The influx of dues and members quickly changed the union movement’s tune, and collective bargaining in government is now widespread. As a result unions can now insist on laws that serve their interests – at the expense of the common good.

Union contracts make it next to impossible to reward excellent teachers or fire failing ones. Union contracts give government employees gold-plated benefits – at the cost of higher taxes and less spending on other priorities. The alternative to Walker’s budget was kicking 200,000 children off Medicaid.

Governor Walker’s plan reasserts voter control over government policy. Voters’ elected representatives should decide how the government spends their taxes. More states should heed the A.F.L.-C.I.O. Executive Council’s 1959 advice: “In terms of accepted collective bargaining procedures, government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition Congress — a right available to every citizen.”


#4

As a side note,
We have public unions and they have government retirement plans. They are eligible for up to 90% of their final salary.

The people that negotiate with them are covered by the same generous pension plan.

Hence why FDR stated that “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.”


#5

My views come from being a union member in the private sector. A union like any organization is only as good as the people in it
I experienced both the good and bad of unions ,but the average union factory worker is better off in a union .You fail to acknowledge.that if not for unions ,we wouldn’t have child labor laws, decent working conditions and rules on OT.Again this didn’t come because of Corporate Benevolence especially Ford and GM.
Would you argue against the Police getting raises because they work for the taxpayers and must pass a civil service exam?.??? Their product Is public Safety .Govt workers product is whatever dept they work in .
Right to Work Laws are another word for Union Busting and turning workers against each other.


#6

Correct, they are Democratic Party initiatives.


#7

What ever happened to that party?


#8

An interesting premise as I also have experienced both worlds.

As a union worker I found that seniority trumps all including outstanding performance.

As a union worker the union prevented me from a upgrade in wages as it wasn’t;t in the contract even though the company wanted to pay me more.

As a non union worker I was able to negotiate my own pay and benefits. Hired in at top of the scale with 4 weeks vacation when starting was 1 week vacation.

As a manager I paid people for their experience above local union scale. One day the company and union cut a deal to unionize all of the technical people. The company got a sweetheart contract, the union got 800 new union dues paying members, the people got screwed as most were redlined for years. After 2 years I left as 60% of my organization quit and went to other companies.

What you referred you was in the far past and would have happened regardless of the unions. Your much vaunted unions were the primary reason for Chysler and GM’s bankruptcies along with poor management.

Really want to read the story, read The Reckoning, David Halberstam.

Gives you a pretty good perspective of the auto unions, GM and Ford as well as the rise of the Japanese auto market.


#9

The problem is with how union bosses see their jobs. The left loves to complain about the heartless corporate world, yet unions now operate the same way - maximize the wages for the workers, regardless of whether the employer can remain competitive. If the employer goes belly up (like the Bridgeport works on Pittsburgh in the late 70’s) - and 10,000 lose their jobs - it doesn’t matter. The union heads will shout that it’s the company’s fault, and that Capitalism is the source of all evil.


#10

There was a grocery store chain in Michigan when I was a bit younger. The employees were unionized. They decided they wanted higher wages and threatened a strike.

The owner of the company could bot afford higher wages without raising prices which at the time was difficult due to auto worker payoffs. The workers struck. The owner gave them 1 week to return to work or he would close the chain. the workers refused. The owner closed the chain, 31 stores, emptied the stores and sold the buildings. The employees were picketing in front of empty stores for 3 months before the unions said sorry, we are out of strike funds and your on you own.


#11

Donating to the likes of Nancy , Chuck , Warner , and . Adam Schiff would be enough to make me quit the union !!! From what I have seen with unions is they waste time and money on the very same guys that sleep at work , don’t show up for work and don’t bother to call and let the company know in order to call in a replacement . I seen lines shut down because of no-shows costing ten of thousands in losses . I have seen union officials wheel and deal for those that are loyal to their every need and barely raise a whisper for others with the exact same complaint ! Needless to say they went bankrupt and everyone lost their jobs ! A company can absorb just so many deadbeats and nitwits before they close and the main reason the unions protecting the same guys over and over again .


#12

Some unions have gone too far I agree , but alot of employers have taken an adversarial position towards unions. Both sides are guilty of not being able to meet in the middle .
However the American union.workers have it better than Chinese or Mexican workers . Without unions it would be similar here. At least today we don’t have Pinkerton Agents killing union organizers, we have these So-Called Right To Work Laws .
The unions President salaries are almost as bad as some CEOs.Can you justify all those perks and Rediculous “Golden Parachutes” which need the ripcord cut .


#13

And most of the top 20 union guys DON"T have to work in the plant but get paid by the company at one of the highest rates there . How many union conferences is enough in a year ? Every month at least 8 are headed out of town for some BS session paid with union dues money and they stay at the very best hotels and eat at the best restaurants all with dues money . Some of the sister plants that are non-union get better benefits and the same pay rates as the unionize ones and they are far more profitable too ! The union is required to pay half of ALL arbitration cases and we lose 75% of them because it about someone stealing , drinking on the job , caught with dope on the job , or those that barely show up for work . Why should my dues money go to the guys that force companies into bankruptcy ?


#14

Freedom to choose is such a bitch… I find people steeped in the Union rhetoric to be funny, especially when they give themselves the name… Freedom. Unions did good in protecting worker protections. Most of those protections now reside in the mountain of laws created by government… largely, job done. As far as what unions have done with wages, they have had a good impact on equalizing businesses power over the worker but at the same time they have taken wages, and turned them into pensions and medical care and lots of other ‘benefits’ that distort many markets… Rather than pressing for a fair wage where people can go out on their own to by these things, they become part and parcel of business… and those distortions act no differently than minimum wage laws created by government that understand little about business and asset prices in things like housing that the FED constantly screw with. Private sector unions have far exceeded their benefits to society at large. Public sector unions are an abomination. Union reps negotiate with government officials over how much the tax payer is going to get soaked… and of course the taxpayer doesn’t have much recourse over bad teachers because they are well protected by the union quite to the determent of the students and public that they actually serve…


#15
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DeMaurice Smith $2,550,046 PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, FED, AFL … EXECUTIVE DIRECT…
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RICHARD TRUMKA PRESIDENT $272,250 $31,871
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#16

In case you have not noticed, unions excluding government are all but extinct.


#17

They may have served a purpose once but they got too dam greedy and went too far left !


#18

Yes the union has to represent both good and bad workers but is part of the purpose to pay dues. It’s similar to having a lawyer on a retainer.Even though they maybe poor teachers, the union has to defend them .
As a former factory worker, I’ve seen this happen . I don’t always agree with it but I understand why. We still need a check and balance system for Labor and Management . No system is perfect.


#19

Agreed…


#20

As a former union member, i left with my eyes open.

I can tell you stories about union workers.

After leaving the union I negotiated my own pay and benefits which were always superior to union pay and benefits.

As a manager of a non union workforce then director I always paid above union standard wages as the people I hired were far better than union workers in education and talent.