Do you think Winston Churchill is unrightfully glorified?


#102

What was so different about the bombing of Dresden vs German bombing of the UK?


#103

Your joking right?..


#104

No disagreements here, just thought it would be interesting to look at his shortcomings and see what you guys thought lol


#105

Interesting, could you expand please?


#106

Just going off history, jews almost devistated Germany. Like what they are doing to America today.


#107

No difference at all except Dresden was full of German civilian refugees and of no strategic or military importance to the Allies - Churchill knew that and he also knew that incendiary bombs were better for killing women and children


#108

You’re second guessing a war time situation from the comfort and luxury of peacetime. Put it into context and you might just have a basic understanding of the man and the situation. Hindsight is always better than 20:20


#109

His personal life has no bearing to the fact that he was the greatest war time Prime Minister we have had. I’m not interested in how he treated women or whatever. It’s irrelevant to his achievements.


#110

Churchill’s reasoning for not accepting the peace deals is because he knew they would heavily disadvantage Britain, much like the demilitirisation of the Ruhr for Germany. It is arguable that we would have been better off accepting the deal, but we can’t be completely sure. I would love to learn more about the revisionist argument though if you’ve got any information on it :smile:


#111

…and London had no civilians to kill?


#112

Sorry, I’m not sure if this is to me or not but I’ve been in college all day and this is the first opportunity I’ve had to reply to anything!


#113

Kudos to any man that likes the company of women! :+1:


#114

Please provide supporting facts and data for the above assertion


#115

Duh!..:roll_eyes:


#116

Didn’t say that, but Germany didn’t deliberately try to kill them, they were, what I think US always calls collateral damage in London, but targetted in Dresden.


#117

Yeah that was similar to my line of argument, I was basically saying that yeah he had some pretty bad points (I mean, calling Indians ‘beastly’ isn’t a necessarily great thing haha), but we do also need to remember that he is basically the reason we won the war. If it wasn’t for his unwillingness to give up and accept the peace deal, who knows what would have happened???


#118

The city was targeted. The citizens could have employed bomb shelters as did the Londoners.


#119

Churchill wasn’t a mastermind, or a career politician. He was a soldier in his youth and he brought that typically British stubborness with him when he took position.

He made mistakes for sure, I’m surprised no one mentioned Gallipoli, but he was what Britain needed in it’s most critical hour, that’s what he should be remembered for. Simple.


#120

should I go out and bash freebird cuz of all the Jew hating racist fucks on this site? Should this whole site be condemned for a few? Think about what u stupid fucks are saying. You and the libs are agreeing with an idiology that has no place in society, therefore I place you both in the same category of fucks that we need to rid of.


#121

Exactly, Chamberlain and his next choice for PM Lord Halifax were not against a peace deal at all, even advocating for it when Churchill became PM. If it hadn’t been for Churchill’s determined stance on not accepting peace and fighting on even when it seemed completely worthless, perhaps we would be speaking German today.