Donald Trump's termination of illegal Obamacare subsidies is a win for those who genuinely care about the most basic workings of the Constitution


Your stupid comment"In case your not aware, every spending package must be voted on every year.

The military is a perfect example. During the Obama years, it was cut. How is that right to take away funding from a department authorized not by law but the constitution.

You know zero about this also, Obama care is a entitlement program, its funding is not voted on every year. and it is guaranteed by the government. As usual your 100% full of crap.


From the world of the nonsense "I sincerely doubt you have ever read the constitution.

I wonder how you can deem anything wacky when you are unaware what it says."


A voice from someone who interprets the constitution the way they want. From a group that bows down to the second while they shit on the first. Your a joke. Again your full of crap as usual.


From the world of fantasy" Get government out of business and by and large, it will do the right thing… "

ya you bet without regulations they would do exactly what they did before regulations, eat our children for the bottom line. Your comment is a joke. Your Idea of the honor and nobility of corporate american has me rolling on the floor. Your a voice that only comes from the ones who profit by those corporation eating our children and it’s OK with you people as long you get your pay day. We will make this real simple , this is in general a right wing economic precept. That there is no conscience in capitalism. I agree, they say there shouldn’t be I say their isn’t.


And the crap is what your full of.

I’m not a gun owner.

And the only thing I shit on are people that are hypocrites like you.


Comment from the weak"And the crap is what your full of.

I’m not a gun owner.

And the only thing I shit on are people that are hypocrites like you."

I’d like to see how guns have anything to do with what I said. Your blithering at this point, Your making no sense at all.


And your clueless as to what single payer cost.

You have fallen for the tripe hook line and sinker.

The cost of Universal Healthcare and welfare in Sweden:
Swedes’ personal income tax can be as little as 29 per cent of their pay, but most people (anyone earning over £32,000) will pay between 49 and 60 per cent through a combination of local government and state income tax.

Single payer in California, 400 billion dollars. Didn’t make it to the ballet box.
Single payer in Colorado doubles state spending dramatically raising taxes, fail at the ballot box, 20% for, 89% against.

In colorado it was leading until the cost was revealed to the voters who gave it the finger.


One thing about the left they are forever clueless.

And your childish insults reflect only on your lack of intelligence as well as you complete lack of knowledge on how our government function as well as appropriations funding.

On July 18, 2017, the House Appropriations Committee approved a draft Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations bill for 2018 (Committee Report). The bill includes a number of provisions relevant to the Affordable Care Act. It would:

Require the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to establish a website providing detailed information as to grants provided through the Prevention and Public Health Fund;
Require HHS to provide information on all full-time equivalent employees and contractors who have been engaged in implementing the ACA since its enactment, subject to certain exceptions;
Require HHS to provide information regarding expenditures for the exchanges since the enactment of the ACA, as well as enrollment information for the exchanges;
Prohibit the use of funds from the Medicare trust funds or the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services’ program management account for funding risk corridor obligations;
Provide a report on how the ACA’s preventive services requirement will impact eligibility for discretionary HHS programs;
Transfer funds appropriated under the Prevention and Public Health Fund to other specified purposes as identified in the committee report;
Prohibit the use of Prevention and Public Health Funds for lobbying;
Prohibit user fees to fund the exchanges;
Prohibit funding for the navigator program;
Prohibit funding for implementing the ACA, except for certain provisions pertaining to Medicare rate-setting and the Medicaid drug discount program;
Rescind $15 million in funding for the Independent Payment Advisory Board; and,
Rescind $323 million that apparently still remains from the preexisting condition high-risk pool.

To become law, the appropriations proposed bill would have to be enacted by the whole House and then be approved by the Senate, or be reconciled with Senate appropriations language. An appropriations bill in the Senate is subject to a filibuster. It is very unlikely, therefore, that all of the House provisions will appear in final legislation. It is much more likely that the government will continue to function under a continuing resolution.


Oh and there was this: Washington, April 12, 2016 -

The House Appropriations Committee today released the fiscal year 2017 Agriculture Appropriations bill, which will be considered in subcommittee tomorrow. The proposed legislation funds important agricultural and food programs and services, including food and medical product safety, animal and plant health programs, rural development and farm services, marketplace oversight, and nutrition programs.
Food and Nutrition Programs – The legislation contains discretionary funding, as well as mandatory funding required by law, for food and nutrition programs within the Department of Agriculture. This includes funding for the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), and child nutrition programs.

Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) – The bill provides $6.35 billion in discretionary funding for WIC, which is the same as the fiscal year 2016 enacted level and the President’s request. Because of robust prior-year funding and declining enrollments in the program, WIC has record levels of carryover balances left over from previous years. Therefore, to make the best use of taxpayer dollars, the bill rescinds $100 million in these unobligated balances, which will have no impact on participation in the program.

Child nutrition programs – The bill provides for $23.2 billion in required mandatory funding – which is outside the discretionary funding jurisdiction of the Appropriations Committee – for child nutrition programs. This is $1 billion above the fiscal year 2016 enacted level. This funding will provide free or reduced-price school lunches and snacks for 32 million children who qualify for the program. The bill provides more than $628 million for the Summer Food Service Program to ensure low-income children continue to receive nutritious meals when school is not in session. In addition, the bill continues funding for a pilot program that provides additional funds through SNAP or WIC electronic benefit transfer (EBT) cards to ensure children in underserved communities receive food during the summer months. The bill continues existing provisions that allow schools demonstrating a financial hardship to seek an exemption from the whole grain nutrition standards, and prevents the implementation of further sodium reduction standards until the latest scientific research establishes the reduction is beneficial for children.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) – The bill provides for $79.7 billion in required mandatory spending – which is outside the discretionary funding jurisdiction of the Appropriations Committee – for SNAP. This is $1.2 billion below last year’s level and $2.02 billion below the President’s budget request, reflecting declining enrollment. The total includes $3 billion for the SNAP reserve fund, $2 billion below the President’s request, which is used to cover any unexpected participation increases.

Even mandatory spending must be approved by appropriations.

But as always you seem to know everything and nothing.


It may be, yet what liberals always do is find a single or rare case, and extrapolate that to all who are poor, and more insidious conflate ‘need’ with want.
Needs - food, clothing, and shelter, we could even add education for your innumerable offspring.
No one is starving in America
Very few are homeless by percentage, and most who are, are mentally ill and refuse treatment or any rules.
The poor have clothing- I’ve yet to see starving naked children with kwashiorkor swollen bellies in our cities (though you do see them in socialist lands in Africa)
The poor have phones the evil 1%'ers pay for
Most poor enjoy subsidized Section 8 the end of your nice neighborhood housing

I have been poor, I put myself through undergrad in a ‘red tag special’ apartment in WVa. I remember once being so sick that I started to see double- I swore that if I ever became wealthy I would never apologize for it - and I never will, especially to some lazy, entitled parasite who thinks 1% paying 70% of the taxes isn’t quite enough.


How would you know… Care to give me an example of an American company on American soil that has ‘eaten our children for the bottom line’ that was not in some way enabled, encouraged or supported by government. Capitalism exists to serve, if it does not, it will cease to exist. The vast majority of business plays by those rules, they are the small and medium sized companies that populate America. Very large corporations and the insulation that they have are a direct result of government regulation or subsidy and arenas like the stock market would not have the hold on the welfare of the average American were it not for government directly tying stock portfolios to retirement and destroying traditional savings through the stupidity of Federal Reserve policy. Far more has been done to harm the American population by corrupt politicians than corrupt business.

Not long ago we had a couple of trials… one for the CEO of Worldcom and the other for the CEO of Enron. Out of those two cases came a determination that the principle of a company would be held accountable for malfeasances of the company that a reasonable corporate leader should have known… and yet not one CEO of any stripe went to jail over fraudulently peddling bad securities, fraud before the court with forged documents, money laundering etc… etc… etc. If government were serious about stopping bad practice, they would… but the profits and power and personal rewards are far too high for career politicians to actually enforce the law.


And the bailout of insurance companies is UNLAWFUL ! Obama abused TAXPAYER dollars to prop up a BROKEN system . Lobbyist fought very hard to get insurance companies HUGE profits and the dems seen their gifts from the very same .


The bailout of insurance companies was the only way to get insurance companies to go along with the broken law.


And yet jbander is clueless and babbles about some law he thinks was broken now , and is oblivious to the laws already broken with this mess called Obamacare ! :laughing:
Insurance companies have seen RECORD profits , in the tens of BILLIONS all from taxpayers !


You haven’t begun to see how nasty it gets.


They are the same way about life when it comes to abortion and the contradiction when it comes to wasting American lives on Middle East regime changes.


:v:t3: … Sometimes its not really malicious… its just that sometimes the shoe fits…


See…insults, personal attacks and name calling.


Oh… I’m sorry… Did you take that personally? It was a general statement of fact but … if the shoe fits, their is nothing I can do about that… and besides… what are you going to do with someone who finds his position so untenable that they will not engage? :vulcan_salute: