If the FISA memo is nothing, The Left, you have nothing to hide


The memo is really important. Gowdy clearly said, in different words, omit the Steele Dossier and the FISA warrant isn’t granted. Revealing that doesn’t put egg on the republicans.

Just like Flynn, for some reason Papadopoulos, lied to the FBI. We don’t know why. You do that with the FBI, and it’s immediately obstruction of justice. That’s why there’s no way in hell Trump should talk to Mueller. It would be too easy to get caught in saying something wrong, and it’s obstruction, a legal trap.

Yeah there was already a Russia investigation, but one of the biggest concerns was Russian hacking, trolling, bots, and propaganda. Not some delusional belief that there’s some Trump Russia collusion. Where’s the evidence? Every nation has propaganda and trolls and hackers. That’s not a conspiracy. We do it to Russia too.

And talking to Russians isn’t illegal.

My feeling is that the only thing Mueller has is to try and say Trump obstructed justice by firing Comey. He’ll give everything to Congress. If the Dems can win House seats and get the majority, they’ll be able to impeach, which has to come from the House. Of course this is a long shot and probably won’t work, but it’s their best bet to taint Trump and win in 2020.

Remember the other thing Gowdy said in that interview, politics is only about winning, not truth, and after seven years he can’t live like that anymore.


That’s not true, Gowdy said there is an investigation without the dossier.

REP. GOWDY: Well I’m actually in a really small group, I think, of Republicans that think that this FISA process is suspect and wrong and should not have taken place. But you still have a Russia investigation even without it.


Well sure, if you can’t afford to tell the truth. Though Trump has repeatedly stated that he welcomes the opportunity.


Well, along with everyone else you’ll have to wait and see what Mueller has assembled.


Of course you do seem to have a problem with Congressional oversight… if it doesn’t stick with your narrative of Trump hatred. Common on… you can admit it… you seek some rather ‘partisan’ results in this investigation because the closer this stuff gets to Clinton and Obama the more you voices seems to jitter…


The pres has the Dems memo and 5 days to release it.


Good… The tit for tat can only be good for transparency… The more questions that come up from the memo’s the wider the investigation gets and … the closer we get to Obama and his ‘employees’…


You’re confusing the Russia investigation with the FISA warrant.


Oh please, he’ll never do it, and if he did it’d probably be written responses dictated precisely by lawyers.


The Russia/Trump collusion/obstruction investigation was begun with Papadopolous in July, months before the Carter Page surveillance began.


Well right, that’s the point. A person such as himself who is given to exaggeration/hyperbole and lies would fair poorly under the scrutiny of Bob Mueller. But all year he’s insisted that he’d set, under oath (as if that matters) for Mueller.


Incorrect. The Russia investigation existed beforehand because of fears of Russian hacking, propaganda, and bots. And Papadopoulos and whatever he lied about predates the FISA warrant. Most of the FISA warrant chaos is the fact that the Steele Dossier is opposition research from the Clinton campaign. That’s why Gowdy said the Russia investigation would exist regardless. He also said he has seen nothing linking Trump to Russia.


Yes indeed, for the better part of a week I’ve been drawing attention to the time space between the Papadopolous initiated FBI investigation into Russian/Trump Campaign collusion begun in July of 2016 and the FISA warrant issued in October 2016 for surveillance of Carter Page.


Is this a self evaluation ? :laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:


It’s a big deal because everyone involved in getting the FISA warrant is in jeopardy !

On the contrary, the adducible evidence shows that members of the FBI and the DOJ interfered in the 2016 presidential campaign much more than any Russian operative. They placed their fingers on the scales of democracy to favor one candidate over another.

Failure to submit all material evidence to the FISA court constitutes a fraud on the court.

**Even more outrageous, the source of the relevant FISA order targeting Carter Page was created by a foreign national.

This means that the FBI and DOJ outsourced their research and arguably violated their solemn duty to the American people. By doing so, these two government departments fueled the narrative that the Russian interfered in America’s last presidential election.

The fact that it’s a rubber stamp court speaks volumes for the reform needed to over see this court !
Evidently, Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe testified before the Committee that but for reliance on the 35-page dossier, authored by Christopher Steele, the FISA warrant would neither have been sought nor obtained. After previously rejecting their initial request, This rubber stamp court turned down the the FBI twice and the only way they got the warrant was 35-page dossier, authored by Christopher Steel !

The FISA judges relied on two sources as a basis for the eventual issuance of the warrant: the dossier authored by a foreign agent, Christopher Steele, and a Yahoo News report Mr. Steele gave to Yahoo News.
Doesn’t that just frosted your balls .

, in a 2017 filing in a British Court, Mr. Steele, said the claims he made in the dossier were unverified.

.” Mr. Steele’s court filing portrays him as a victim of Fusion GPS — the Washington firm that hired him with money from a Hillary Clinton backer. Fusion GPS specializes in opposition research for political parties and circulated the Steele dossier among reporters in an effort to injure the opponent of one of the major political parties. Mr. Steele’s unreliability is confirmed by virtue of evidence that Christopher Steele lied to the FBI when he said he did not speak to the media.

Based largely on the information contained in the Steele dossier, financed by Fusion GPS and funded by a political party with the aid of the party’s law firm, on October 21, 2016, the DOJ and FBI obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting a peripheral member of the Trump campaign and subsequently three FISA renewals from the FISC.

Based largely on the information contained in the Steele dossier, financed by Fusion GPS and funded by a political party with the aid of the party’s law firm, on October 21, 2016, the DOJ and FBI obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting a peripheral member of the Trump campaign and subsequently three FISA renewals from the FISC.

Then-FBI-Director James Comey, the now-disgraced former director, signed three FISA applications on behalf of the FBI, and former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one.

Signing on behalf of the DOJ were the Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, then-Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente, and current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of the Department of Justice.

Mr. Boente currently serves as General Counsel for the FBI currently led by FBI Director Christopher Wray.

Because foreign intelligence activity is very sensitive and because surveilling American citizens implicates the important constitutional rights we hold as citizens, the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standards. This means that the evidence adduced before the court must demonstrate probable cause as well as the absence of bias.

Thus, all material and relevant evidence favorable to the American target should be released to the court, including evidence that the affidavit on which the FISA warrant was issued was grounded in unverified evidence funded by a political party. In addition, FISC’s rigor in protecting the rights of Americans including applications for a 90-day renewal of surveillance order depends on the government’s production to the court of all material relevant facts including evidence of bias attributed to Mr. Steele, Fusion GPS, and an opposition political party.https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed


But you don’t know that, and for two reasons. A, you’ve seen a very partisan cherry picked memo, with testimony lifted out of its context, and material omissions, all of which worked together to falsely influence the public to believe that the investigation into Trump/Russian collusion began with the Steele Dossier when in fact it did not. And 2, you simply have no idea what Mueller’s investigation has put together. As though this requires repeating every week, Bob Mueller hasn’t once held a presser and disclosed what he’s got, and he’s done a stellar job of keeping his team from a single leak these 8 months.


Muller cannot hold a presser to tell anyone what a stellar job he is doing ! It would be against the law !!!
I know what I read and I show you what I read so we can talk about what I post !
You just offer second hand option and yesterdays key phrases cherry picked is this weeks phrase constitutional crises is making comeback .

I find it odd that the progressives are defending the FBI and the Department of Justices .
Both agency’s have a long history of covering the asses .

An internal FBI report kept under wraps for three years details dozens of cases of agents fired for egregious misconduct and crimes, including drug trafficking, attempted murder, theft, misuse of informants and consorting with prostitutes.

FBI Assistant Director Cassandra Chandler responded Wednesday, “Director Mueller is committed to undertaking the reforms necessary to strengthen the disciplinary process within the FBI and ensure that it is fair, efficient and credible.”

Mueller said in announcing that review that he wanted to stop “an erosion of trust” by the public in the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility, which has been accused of having dual disciplinary systems for supervisors and field agents and of minimizing allegations of retaliation against whistleblowers.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/years-of-fbi-agent-crimes-detailed/

The Justice Department has agreed to pay five persons $10,000 each for violation of their constitutional rights because of illegal Federal Bureau of Investigation wiretaps, burglaries or mail openings in the early 1970’s, civil liberties lawyers said yesterday. http://www.nytimes.com/1981/03/16/nyregion/5-gain-settlements-for-fbi-acts-in-70-s.html

FBI Severely Underreported How Many Times It Authorized Informants to Break the Law [Updated]
This year, the FBI appears to for the first time have overlooked a reporting obligation established by the US Attorney General’s office, and in doing so, the bureau appears to have greatly lowballed the total number of times it authorized confidential informants to engage in criminal activity last year.

As a consequence, the bureau did something else that’s new: It revealed the number of times it gave informants permission to engage in serious criminal activity. And lacking an official explanation so far, our running theory is that a clerical error could be to blame.

But this year, something different happened. Tier 2 wasn’t included. And now we know that in 2016, at least 381 times, the FBI authorized its informants to engage in some really serious criminal activity. Whether that was commissioning an act of violence by another person or manufacturing a truckload of cocaine, we can’t be sure.

So, how did this happen exactly? Was it a clerical error or did the FBI do this on purpose? Did the Attorney General’s office issue new guidelines? We’re not entirely sure. The Justice Department declined to comment, even though it sets the rules and, by all appearances, its National Security Division was robbed of an important statistic. The FBI told Gizmodo on Monday that it was working on an answer. We’ll update if we get one.
“When the FBI submitted 2016 data to the Justice Department regarding the Confidential Human Source Program one tier of data accidentally was not submitted. This was an unintended omission and the FBI will submit revised data to the Justice Department as soon as possible. The FBI is committed to providing accurate data regarding this important program.”https://gizmodo.com/fbi-severely-underreported-how-many-times-it-authorized-1818517490


You’re in the twilight zone when conservatives are attacking law enforcement, lol. When it comes to police brutality however, the conservative turns a blind eye.


Yet people who’ve seen classified docs say they’ve seen no evidence of Trump Russia collusion. And the Russian interference is going to end up being the revelation that RT is propaganda. Oh my!


Which docs? The 1.5 million obtained by Mueller? And which people?