Is it a Bad Idea for Children to Learn About Religion in School?


#41

Separation of church and state, its not de-prioritization its separation, meaning no lawful mixing.

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Observation from leaving the house and speaking to people. Have you ever given a ballpark based on observation and with general statistical knowledge of demographics in the United States - or do you just search the internet for copy pasta?


#42

and progressivism is getting far too much government support in my books … ideology and religion aren’t far off of each other in definition… substitute supernatural power for government and you got it…


#43

Ok - only that “Evolution is just a theory that has not been proven” stickers.


#44

It says no establishment of religion.

Also, your article is a fucking meme.

It’s nothing more than encouraging students to keep an open mind.

Agreed - government is the problem and always will be the problem.


#45

Also…I do not understand, what is wrong with calling it a theory? The name is called (THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION) There is literally nothing wrong with calling it a theory as for it to not be a theory it must be proven 100% without fault. Unless recognized officially as a worldwide religion.


#46

Teaching about the Bible, the Torah, or other sacred texts and their influence on human behavior. No one denies that religion has strongly motivated behavior in the United States and around the world. Acknowledging that fact in the curriculum does not raise First Amendment concerns.

From the Center For Public Education website. This would most probably be applicable to teaching the history/teachings of major world religions with equal focus.


#47

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Free exercise thereof - not allowed to freely exercise religion in a public government funded school. Not hard to understand.


#48

None of the books listed in the article have referenced religion in anyway, just saying that evolution is just a theory that has not been 100% proven. (Which is true)


#49

https://www.justice.gov/crt/combating-religious-discrimination-and-protecting-religious-freedom-10

Education

A group of students form a Bible club and ask for permission to meet in a classroom before school. While other student-created groups are given meeting space, the Bible club is barred because it is religious.
Two Muslim sisters are told by a school principal that they cannot wear their hijabs (head-covering scarves) to school due to a no-hats policy, despite the fact that the school has made exceptions to the policy for other students.
A teacher berates a student in front of the class because he does not share the faith of the teacher and the rest of the class, leading to repeated harassment of the student by other children.
These examples may be violations of federal law, which prohibits the denial of educational opportunities because of a person’s religion. The Division’s Educational Opportunities Section enforces these laws in elementary and secondary schools, as well as public colleges and universities. The Educational Opportunities Section’s work addresses discrimination in all aspects of education, including curricular and extracurricular activities, the transportation of students, the hiring and placement of faculty and administrators, and distribution of school resources.

If you believe that you or your child has been denied access to an educational program or otherwise discriminated against by a school operated by a state or local government, you can contact the Division’s Educational Opportunities Section toll free at (877) 292-3804, or write to: Educational Opportunities Section – PHB, Civil Rights Division, U.S. Department of Justice, 950 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W., Washington, D.C. 20530. Further information is available at www.usdoj.gov/crt/edo.


#50

Well unfortunately your batshit retarded interpretation of 1A doesnt seem to line up with SCOTUS cases.

They are allowed to teach about the traditions and history of religion, and about the establishment, what they aren’t allowed to do is say it’s downright true.


#51

Because we are too hung up on the damn legitimacy of the stickers to get to the actual intelligent design curriculum, if you would let me move on I could get there.


#52

The Constitution permits much private religious activity in and about the public schools. Unfortunately, this aspect of constitutional law is not as well known as it should be. Some say that the Supreme Court has declared the public schools “religion-free zones” or that the law is so murky that school officials cannot know what is legally permissible. The former claim is simply wrong. And as to the latter, while there are some difficult issues, much has been settled. It is also unfortunately true that public school officials, due to their busy schedules, may not be as fully aware of this body of law as they could be. As a result, in some school districts some of these rights are not being observed.

This of course is the salient point:

Students may be taught about religion, but public schools may not teach religion. As the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly said, “[i]t might well be said that one’s education is not complete without a study of comparative religion, or the history of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization.” It would be difficult to teach art, music, literature and most social studies without considering religious influences.


#53

And again, as for this sticker article - it’s a meme:

It also suggests students “keep an open mind,” and remember that “[t]here are many unanswered questions about the origin of life not mentioned in your textbook.”

"It encourages students to question the theory [of evolution] and ask questions about it.”

Second one is from the Alabama Dept of Education - so take it with a pinch of salt.


#54

Depends on context.

If you’re in History class studying the Crusades, then yes, religion as a topic of discussion is totally appropriate. That lesson, in fact, is meaningless without discussing the religions involved to provide historic context.

But if you’re pushing your beliefs as a school lesson, then it’s totally inappropriate. If you’re teaching your students in Health class that you’ll burn in hell for masturbating, you’ve crossed the line.

The line doesn’t seem that blurry to me here …


#55

You mean like teaching 6th graders that being a trans is normal and fun while a girl is filling out a consent form in sex ed for a government funded IUD?.. you mean like that? :astonished: Context is everything…


#56

I got kids that age and friends who are teachers, Scott. Maybe that kinda stuff goes down in some school systems, but I’ve never seen, heard of, nor experienced it.

Always gotta go to the most extreme and rare example you can think of, dontcha …

:wink:


#57

Lung cancer and Surgeon General warnings on cigarette packs were jus a meme, it still cut smoking back 40% in USA in 10 years.


#58

I fail to see how this is relevant, but thanks for sharing bud.


#59

Well without the stickers there is no need for any need for further discussion unless you can reference a book being taught in a public school specifically stating that (insert religion/theory) Is the one true theory and everything else is wrong.


#60

“Putting stickers on textbooks that encourage children to question things and keep an open mind is equivalent to stickers on packs of cigs”