No Doubt Republicans Are At War Over Immigration


So…you’re belligerent as well as arrogant and reactionary. It seems that every thread you get into goes south.


Only you would know. You called me names four times right out the chute. What were you thinking? That it would end up with a kiss on the lips?


Not at all. If you’re looking to swap spit with a man you should visit your favorite gay bar.


I don’t do multi quote responses. As was shown with asaritis, it is the same technique employed by stalkers and trolls. It is a no win war. I just happened on your last paragraph looking for the post of whoever it was that invited me to this board as per a request I got earlier.

Okay, I will NOT admit any such crap that the majority of foreigners that come here are criminals. They are coming here to take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. I’m not here to dabble in partisan politics; I’m telling you what IS.

People that come here to take advantage of opportunities willingly offered are NOT criminals. In its purest sense, in order to have a crime, you must have an aggrieved party. When jobs go unfilled, employers hire who they can. I advertise for gigs all the time. Nobody shows up except redneck Bubba in his 7 mpg gas hog telling you all about how he’s insured, background checked, etc. Between that and giving an estimate it takes more time than simply doing the job. Case in point:

I had an overflow valve go out on a water heater. Called the plumber and told him I had the replacement. Just need someone to do a swap. He comes out, takes 40 minutes to write up a proposal for $245. That’s on top of his service call fee. I paid him for coming out, called on one of my regular helpers and he did it in less time than it took Bubba to write his proposal. Cost? $30

Where I live there are people that cannot afford to pay as much for laborers as they do for a surgeon. I’ve had to pay both around here and many times the surgeons charge less than handymen. The jobs are here. Get a truck and you have a few hand tools and a lawn mower, you can knock out $25 an hour all day long. But, people who live on their Social Security check or work for $10 or $12 an hour cannot afford big companies to do piddly stuff.

Furthermore, ridding this country will not guarantee any American a job. It won’t erase the Americans criminal records; it won’t make that person productive; won’t give them the skills and the initiative to do a job. So, I don’t screw with them. Live, let live; let the states decide who can come and go as a guest worker. Now, California may have Sanctuary Cities, but let’s be honest: San Francisco (which lets them roam freely) has a higher income level than most of the U.S. and lower unemployment.

It might not work in a smaller state or a smaller town, but it is (constitutionally speaking) a state / local issue. Honestly though, I don’t give a rip.

My interest always has been predicated on what happened to me personally. The LEOs made plans to raid my house and kill me, claiming that I resisted arrest. The plan was foiled by a newspaper writer. In short, the matter ended up in a series of court actions. Once, during discovery, I was face to face with an attorney who represented the LEOs. I asked him, point blank, when in the Hell did we start deciding people were guilty without due process and then empower an agency of the government to judge, jury and executioner.

That lawyer smiled and said, “We do it all the time. Haven’t you ever heard of an illegal alien?” The average Joe does not understand how precedents work. My critics won’t allow an explanation, but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt. That is my primary interest in the issue.

Other than that and the B.S. that so - called “illegals” are stealing jobs, the whole subject is humorous. Unless you’re admitting that you agree with Bernie Sanders and we are a socialist country, the jobs didn’t belong to you and nobody could steal them in the first place. But, we could protect jobs and give Americans the advantage - without the name calling, walls, punishments for employers (who can take their jobs to other countries) and this incessant effort to destroy America with the ultimate POLICE STATE.

I can get into a serious conversation the moment the name calling stops.


You sound like a man of extensive experience. I’m not into it. Sorry. The first time you ever addressed me on this board, it was a reference to penises. Don’t bother projecting. Everybody here knows what you are - unless they are delusional.

None of it has squat to do with the OP.


Your Straw man. It noted your attraction to them.


Quite the opposite has been demonstrated. Now, do you have anything relative to the OP? The first time you addressed me, it had nothing to do with my sexual preferences. It was clearly about YOUR attraction to them.

In the grand scheme of things, it’s irrelevant since it don’t have anything to do with the OP.

False Personation of a U.S. Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911). Illegal aliens often present themselves as U.S. citizens, an act punishable by up to five years in jail, a felony. This law is often cited in immigration prosecutions and may involve, for example, an alien claiming U.S. citizenship to his employer.
Fraud and False Statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001). It is common for illegal aliens to make false statements to the government or on official documents. An illegal alien violates this law when claiming to be a U.S. citizen on an I-9 Employment Eligibility form and faces a fine and up to five years imprisonment.
Social Security Fraud (42 U.S.C. § 408). This statute has been invoked where an illegal alien provided a false Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a job, where an illegal alien used a fraudulent Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a driver's license, and when an illegal alien used a Social Security card belonging to a citizen in order to obtain Section 8 housing, for example. Violation of this statute can result in a fine and/or imprisonment up to five years. The court can also require violators to provide restitution to the victims.

Registration of Aliens (8 U.S.C. § 1302). Advocates of amnesty often argue that a mass legalization program is necessary so that we can determine the identities of illegal aliens in the country. But federal law already requires all aliens, even those in the country illegally, to register their presence if they remain in the United States for 30 days or longer. Specifically,

It shall be the duty of every the United States, who (1) is fourteen years of age or older, (2) has not been registered and fingerprinted [during the visa process], and (3) remains in the United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for registration and to be fingerprinted before the expiration of such thirty days.

Aliens under the age of 14 are not exempt from registration, but the duty to make sure it happens falls on the parent or guardian:

It shall be the duty of every parent or legal guardian of any alien now or hereafter in the United States, who (1) is less than fourteen years of age, (2) has not been registered [during the visa process], and (3) remains in the United States for thirty days or longer, to apply for the registration of such alien before the expiration of such thirty days.

Reporting Requirements for Individuals (19 U.S.C. § 1459). Any illegal alien who has walked across the U.S. border and entered illegally at a location that is not a designated crossing point has violated this statute. The statute requires those “individuals arriving in the United States other than by vessel, vehicle, or aircraft” to “enter the United States only at a border crossing point” and “immediately… report the arrival, and… present themselves, and all articles accompanying them for inspection” to a customs officer.

High Speed Flight from Immigration Checkpoint (18 U.S.C. § 758). Depending on how an illegal alien enters the United States, if he came across the border and evaded law enforcement at a checkpoint, he may have violated this statute. To violate this statute, the alien must be in a motor vehicle traveling in excess of the legal speed limit and must be fleeing federal, state, or local law enforcement officers. Such offense is punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years.

Unlawful Bringing of Aliens into United States (8 U.S.C. § 1323). Oftentimes illegal aliens will enter the United States with other illegal aliens, and if the alien was involved in helping to bring in other aliens, he has violated this law. Put simply, it is unlawful for an illegal alien to bring to the United States from any place outside of the country any alien without valid travel documents. The government can levy a fine of $3,300 for each unlawful alien brought into the country.

Reentry of Removed Aliens (8 U.S.C. § 1326). Many illegal aliens in the United States have either been previously deported or at least denied admission. This statute addresses the alien who has reentered, or attempted to reenter, the United States after having been previously denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed. It is also aimed at the alien who has reentered, or attempted to reenter, after earlier departing the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal was outstanding. An alien who violates this statute faces a fine and/or imprisonment up to two years. If the deportation was the result of certain criminal convictions, the alien faces imprisonment up to 20 years.

Willful Failure or Refusal to Depart (8 U.S.C. § 1253). Many illegal aliens have already been ordered to leave the country by immigration authorities, and they have 90 days to do so from the final removal order. If an alien has had a final order of removal issued against him and he either willfully fails or refuses to depart from the United States, make timely application in good faith for necessary travel documents, or takes any action designed to prevent or hamper his departure, he faces a fine and/or imprisonment up to four years. The alien faces the same penalties for willfully failing or refusing to present himself for removal at the time and place required by the government. If the alien is involved in smuggling, high-speed flight from a checkpoint, or other serious crimes outlined in the statute, the alien faces up to 10 years imprisonment. It is incorrect to refer to an alien in the United States 90 days after a removal order as “law-abiding.”

Civil Penalties for Failure to Depart (8 U.S.C. § 1324d). Any alien subject to a final order of removal who “willfully fails or refuses” to depart from the United States pursuant to the order, make timely application for travel or other documents necessary for departure, or present themselves for removal at the time and place required by the government, is required to pay a civil penalty up to $500 for each day he is in violation of this statute. The same penalty applies for an alien who conspires to or takes any action designed to prevent or hamper his own departure. Over the course of a year, an illegal alien could rack up a fine of up to $182,500. As of March 2013, ICE estimates that over 851,000 illegal aliens who have been ordered removed are still living in the United States. The Senate amnesty bill (S.744) would effectively waive these penalties and replace them with a waiverable fine of only $500 for provisional legal status.

Failure to Comply with Terms of Release under Supervision (8 U.S.C. § 1253(b)). In some instances, an illegal alien ordered deported is not repatriated due to unique circumstances. For example, some countries refuse to take back their nationals. If the alien does not leave or is not removed within the removal period, the alien, pending removal, is to be subject to supervision under regulations prescribed by the DHS secretary. The regulations can include, for example, a requirement that the alien not commit any crimes. The regulations “shall” include provisions requiring the alien to appear before an immigration officer periodically for identification; to submit, if necessary, to a medical and psychiatric examination at the expense of the United States government; to give information under oath about the alien’s nationality, circumstances, habits, associations, and activities, and other information the secretary considers appropriate; and to obey reasonable written restrictions on the alien’s conduct or activities that the secretary prescribes for the alien.

An alien who willfully fails to comply with the regulations or requirements issued pursuant to the supervised release or knowingly gives false information in response to an inquiry under this release, shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

The list is endless.


A tremendous wall of text with no applicability or relevance.


Its irrelevant because there’s no urgency to enforce the law. Those in DOJ don’t have to worry about reelection. :dragon_face:


What "law" do you contend is not being enforced?

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” Article I Section 8 United States Constitution

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited to it by the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Tenth Amendment to the Constitution

The best government is that which governs least” Henry David Thoreau, in his 1849 “Civil Disobedience,” or “Resistance to Civil Government.”

Donald Trump promised to make America Great Again. That statement presumes that, at one time, we were a great nation. When was that? When you’ve been programmed to believe in lies, it seems counter intuitive to accept the fact that at a time in the past when America was great, we had fewer laws, fewer government agencies, and the individual was free to pursue their own happiness.

We should seek to return to that period when America was great and repeal all those laws that have hindered our Liberties.


What immigration laws have hindered a citizens liberties? :popcorn:


I wouldn’t spit on Hillary Clinton if she were burning in Hell fire. I have never watched CNN News. I don’t vote for Democrats; never supported the left.

Every statement that isn’t all about the anti-immigrant lobby having all the answers is not an endorsement of the left. When you see bad strategies being employed, it is immoral not to speak out. The truth is, I’m way the Hell farther to the right than you are.

I just refuse to be led down a one way road to inevitable defeat. You won’t make America great again by adopting the policies of socialist nations and third world cesspools. You figure out when that time was when America was great and do away with all the laws, rules, regulations, court decisions, etc. that mucked it up.

There was a time when America functioned better because we had more commonalities than differences.


Yawn. When you answer my questions, be glad to answer yours. SMH. LMAO


What did I lose? If you catch an undocumented foreigner in the United States and IF the government has no probable cause to hold them for a crime, they are deported. It’s all a civil process.

If the authorities encounter someone ON the border attempting an improper entry, they can be turned over to immigration authorities for deportation proceedings - which are civil. IN ADDITION, if that foreigner commits any crime - lying to authorities, eluding them, producing false documentation, etc. they can be tried in a criminal court separately from the improper entry. The criminal charges will have no bearing on the civil issue. In theory, someone could be coming in and not be deportable, but if they tried to flee, lied to authorities, etc. they can still be tried for statutory crimes found in Title 18 - the Criminal Code.


Kate Steinle’s family would disagree with you. But, of course that murderous bastard was tried in California, the liberal shithole of the United States.


I cannot interject myself into the politics of California. If the people living there see immigrants as a problem, let them deal with it.

Even if it takes a constitutional amendment, you don’t send federal funds that would be used to assist foreigners in this country like California does. If California gets sick of it, they will pass the requisite laws to deal with it.

I don’t tell them who they can invite to come to their state and Californians don’t tell me what kind of rifle I can own. It all works out pretty good.


Apparently you read nothing.

It applies as established law but is ignored by washington.

Bet your wetting your pants over non enforcement of laws.


California’s (and the 9th Circuit Court’s) ignoring of the Constitution should be a concern of all citizens.

Illegal alien criminals that are harbored in the sanctuary state of California are not required to stay there. They are free to migrate to Georgia and kill your progeny…and their only penalty will be deportation…again.

That totally worthless piece of flesh had been deported 5 times before killing a totally innocent young lady…and getting away with it in a shithole state.

If you don’t care what happens in California, you don’t care what happens in any state…including your own.


Typical, when you have no ability to answer you resort to showing your true stupidity. It only shows you for what you are. :man_shrugging: