Nordic Socialism Is Realer Than You Think


#1

The common thread to these mistaken conclusions, aside from the desire to deny that there are leftist success stories in the world, is the apparent belief that the only extraordinary part of Nordic economies are the welfare states. Except for their generous social benefits, everything else is properly capitalist and even more capitalist than the United States. Or so the argument goes. http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/


#2

Nordic countries have relatively homogenous populations, a 6 month night and God Awful seafood related cuisine to keep al but the most determined (see Muslim) parasites out. If everyone is paying in, al those nanny programs can be paid for (giant oil royalties from N. Sea drilling helps too).

The US has anything but a homogenous populace. We also have a better climate and a media machine to make parasites look sympathetic. Over 40% of our populous contribute nothing but crime infants and disease. The US would go utterly bankrupt in a few years if socialism really took hold here.

Just look at California- far more socialistic in its politics - eighth largest economy in the world- but has an unfunded pension liability in excess of 400% of all annual revenues combined. In CA 20% pay 85% of the taxes, and 40% contribute nothing but…

So my question to you is - what happens when we listen to inexperienced young folk, go socialist, and the numbers don’t come close to working…


#3

they are most diverse than you would think, all you can do is name call because their socieites outperform yours on every scale


#4

Easy to do when your society is homogenous (and it absolutely is) and people have a strong work ethic, and little tolerance for whiners. Our societies are completely different. Their classrooms are filled with eager well behaved kids, ours have swelled with illegal immigrants’ innumerable children, and lots of slack jawed dopes who have been raised to alternate from self pity, to self absorption, to elf aggrandizement, and back.

I had a German exchange student who was 15 but slotted into my Senior Language Arts class. She wrote an essay comparing our educational systems- their kids know more about more subjects by 10th grade than our university graduates (outside of STEM). Germany is not Norway, but it’s fairly close.


#5

but nordic society isnt that hmogenious any more, i think it was better when it was


#6

It is certainly true that Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are notable economic successes. What is false is that these countries are socialist.

The myth of Nordic socialism is partially created by a confusion between socialism, meaning government exerting control or ownership of businesses, and the welfare state in the form of government-provided social safety net programs. However, the left’s embrace of socialism is not merely a case of redefining a word. Simply look at the long-running affinity of leftists with socialist dictators in Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela for proof many on the left long for real socialism.

To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that [none of these countries have minimum wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.


#7

There is no such thing as “Nordic Socialism” As usual, the left can’t tell the difference between Socialism and “social policies”. All of the Nordics are dependent on free market economies


#8

Little Billy is nothing more than a useful idiot of the left.


#9

State Ownership
Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago.

The governments of Norway and Finland own financial assets equal to 330 percent and 130 percent of each country’s respective GDP. In the US, the same figure is just 26 percent.


#10

Centrally-bargained union contracts establish the work rules and pay scales for the vast majority of Nordic workers.


#11

Labor Market
But this is not true. In addition to their large welfare states and high tax levels, Nordic economies are also home to large public sectors, strong job protections, and labor markets governed by centralized union contracts.

Around 1 in 3 workers in Denmark and Norway are employed by the government.


#12

all you can do is call me names i have the facts to prove all of you wrong


#13

The size of a particular government’s workforce is highly influenced by the activities undertaken by that government as well as the way in which public services are delivered. For example some services can be provided through partnerships with the private sector or delivered directly by government employees. According to the latest edition of the OECD’s Government at a Glance report, there is a significant variation in the size of government workforces worldwide.

The report found that northern Europe, and Scandinavia in particular, leads the world in government employment while Asia is far less reliant on public sector employees. Norway has the highest government employment levels, reaching 30 percent of total employment. Denmark (29.1 percent), Sweden (28.6 percent) and Finland (24.9 percent) all follow with larger than average public sector workforces. In North America, 18.2 percent of Canada’s workforce is employed by the government while in the U.S., the share is slightly lower at 15.3 percent.


#14

The size of a particular government’s workforce is highly influenced by the activities undertaken by that government as well as the way in which public services are delivered. For example some services can be provided through partnerships with the private sector or delivered directly by government employees. According to the latest edition of the OECD’s Government at a Glance report, there is a significant variation in the size of government workforces worldwide.

The report found that northern Europe, and Scandinavia in particular, leads the world in government employment while Asia is far less reliant on public sector employees. Norway has the highest government employment levels, reaching 30 percent of total employment. Denmark (29.1 percent), Sweden (28.6 percent) and Finland (24.9 percent) all follow with larger than average public sector workforces. In North America, 18.2 percent of Canada’s workforce is employed by the government while in the U.S., the share is slightly lower at 15.3 percent. The size of a particular government’s workforce is highly influenced by the activities undertaken by that government as well as the way in which public services are delivered. For example some services can be provided through partnerships with the private sector or delivered directly by government employees. According to the latest edition of the OECD’s Government at a Glance report, there is a significant variation in the size of government workforces worldwide.

The report found that northern Europe, and Scandinavia in particular, leads the world in government employment while Asia is far less reliant on public sector employees. Norway has the highest government employment levels, reaching 30 percent of total employment. Denmark (29.1 percent), Sweden (28.6 percent) and Finland (24.9 percent) all follow with larger than average public sector workforces. In North America, 18.2 percent of Canada’s workforce is employed by the government while in the U.S., the share is slightly lower at 15.3 percent.


#15

#16

You have pseudo facts.

You’re a fucking idiot.

You also cut and paste well.

Have you any thoughts of your own?


#17

youd first have to prove they are psuedo facts and that you are not the fucking idiot , homo


#18

well in order to give you facts ihave to cut and paste unlike you i dont make shit up i actually fact check you fucking american moron


#19

pseudo…


#20

Bill Sands

the Nordic countries have a healthy private sector , there socialism is feeding off the generous private sector.

If and when the private sector moves out because of the immigration influx and their newly arrived immigrants don’t contribute to Nordic society, you will see either the Nordic countries suspending immigration or as mentioned some of the private sectors moving out.