Right to Reply: on the Flaws in Race Realism


#1

An Extended Comment To John Q. Publius

Regarding this piece, published in Republic Standard Friday May 11 2018:

The problem with this subject is separating fact from fiction on both sides of the issue of race and culture. We all know that much of academia and therefore a great deal of published research come from a very deeply ingrained progressive culture. Some otherwise reasonable science is tainted by bias so who is to know the absolute truth.

People often use straw arguments to reinforce their desired point; an example can be seen in JQP’s reference to Sickle Cell. Sickle cell is a genetic affliction of peoples from sub-Saharan Africa; Spanish-speaking regions in the Western Hemisphere (South America, the Caribbean, and Central America); Saudi Arabia; India; and Mediterranean countries such as Turkey, Greece, and Italy. Hardly ‘black Africa’ and clearly something that has affected people who have quite literally been out in the sun too much. By inference I have a genetic affliction called Dupuytren’s Contracture which largely affects peoples with genetic history to peoples of Northern European (English, Scottish, Irish, Dutch, French) or Scandinavian (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish) descent. This of course would make Germans, French, Polish and Czechs less white- and just how White are those Russians? And does Sickle Cell make Italians black? Perhaps the advent of sunscreen can, over time, prevent us from one ill fate and push us into another but I doubt it will change our outlook on culture much.

What do we know about race today? Is it surprising that, after a hundred years of debate and inquiry by anthropologists, not only does the answer remain uncertain but also the very question is so fraught? In part, this reflects the deep investments modern societies have made in the notion of race. We can hardly know it objectively when it constitutes a pervasive aspect of our identities and social landscapes, determining advantage and disadvantage in a thoroughgoing manner.

Another ‘example’ that JQP refers to is the independent country of Liberia; established as a colonial off ramp of the US by the ACS. Not mentioned was that of the nearly 5000 people who went there, less than half survived the first 25 years. Without going into the many historical failings that occurred including resource exploitation, I will just mention a couple of germane points to the subject. While the US declared this area as a US colony and protectorate, it never intervened in the attacks of the indigenous populations on the sparsely settled Libero-Americans. Interestingly enough, not unlike a foreign born Japanese attempting to settle in Japan, indigenous peoples did not accept the cultures and Christian religions of these ‘foreigners’. So we have here a cultural clash and not a racial clash. The ‘colony’ was ‘gradually’ given its independence over the course of 25 years, the ACS and the US effectively washed their hands of the fledgling country.

The comment quoted by MLK and used to justify the principle of segregation was a wrong on so many levels. Of course black and white churches were segregated… so was business and neighbourhoods. As I have said elsewhere you cannot negate the affects of ‘Separate but Equal’ and later the antagonisms created by its antithesis, the 1964 civil rights act in this discussion. For a mere 35 years since the US Civil War have people ‘legally’ been allowed to sort out their own lives and draw their own conclusions. I can find many examples of just how perverted ‘law’ (clearly against the stated aims of the US dream and its founding documents) has affected the social and cultural aspects of society in a negative way.

None of this is to say that people don’t have personal preference… None of this isn’t to say that we aren’t attuned in many ways to the people who look like us, but just like people who love and hate sea food, that does not prevent them from absorbing and being part of the same culture. One thing I find interesting is that today, Middle America’s , mostly white had found itself excluded from the fortunes of America by bad trade policy and a strong bias against them by urban populations. These people struggle, have a high addiction to opiates and are really not very productive members of society… I wonder if you put all of them in housing projects located in the middle of economically and socially deprived areas of large cities, how they would fair.

I blame the better part of our countries entire racial animus on government. Government that refuses to see citizens… all citizens as equals in providing services and in administering law. Government that refuses to allow citizens to associate as they will… The time for red lining communities and quotas is far past its use by date. Of course the government is ours and I would say that the progressive movement is quite amored with making government omnipresent. The problem, far from being an issue of race, is government interference in the general flow of how people interact and how a culture naturally develops.

Right to Reply: on the Flaws in Race Realism

One thing that I find interesting in the ‘white’ argument is that they fantasize that it was the whites of the world who created everything and they generally tout intellect when speaking about blacks and Latinos but aren’t keen to accept the idea that maybe Asians are, in the long run smarter than everyone (tests tell us so). His Excellency Xi Jinping has certainly made it clear that whites have no special place in the world where everyone not Chinese is the inferior on the planet.

Interest conflicts between ethnic groups are inevitable because ethnic groups are genetic kinship groups and because the struggle for existence concerns the survival of our own genes through our own or our relatives’ descendants.

‘Our own genes’ For more than a century, natural and social scientists have been arguing about whether race is a useful classificatory tool in the biological sciences – can it elucidate the relationship between humans and their evolutionary history, between humans and their health. In the wake of the U.S. Human Genome Project, the answer seemed to be a pretty resounding “no.”

Genetic methods do not support the classification of humans into discrete races, and racial assumptions are not good biological guideposts. Races are not genetically homogenous and lack clear-cut genetic boundaries. And because of this, using race as a proxy to make clinical predictions is about probability… this goes to the point I made about Sickle Cell being a determiner of race; it just isn’t.

Also a finer point to consider; The US census and indeed medical enquiries of past years would always ask you your race and besides black and Asian etc would be the widely used term ‘Caucasian.’ Whites readily identified with the term but if you are a racial purist, you would be grouping yourself with some rather unsavoury peoples.

I think that far more important to look at is who is driving the division of race and who benefits. The argument of preservation of your patrimony is little more than a two part problem; One easy to solve and the other requiring a strong and determined engagement with the progressive left. Firstly, no one tells you who to procreate with… that, unless you have a proclivity to promiscuity with anything that breaths, is clearly a personal responsibility. The problem of anti-white discrimination in societies that are without written constitutions, is more difficult problem to address but in the US, this kind of over reverse-discrimination-come-discrimination is just plain against the law. Trump has managed to break the political correctness ceiling and yes, we should, in a most categorical fashion, engage in this subject because it isn’t about the destruction of a race as it is about the survival of a culture and the rule of law.

Slow assimilation of a sub group into a larger group will of course introduce change, but it will be change, in a free society (as in freedom of association) is in accordance with the wishes of the dominant culture. Make no mistake, the enemy of western culture are the people who set up the benefits that draw people from other places. Middle Eastern ‘refugees’ did not attack the white culture when they came in the thousands to the train station in Hungary. They chose a west bound ticket rather than an east bound one… either choice would put them in a predominately white culture. They came for the socialist benefits offered up to them by the same people who want to destroy our borders; the same people who look the other way at the atrocities of Islam, the same people who box white people in the corner with hate laws. Blacks and Hispanics may have rising clout but make no mistake, it is the white progressive left that are running this cattle drive. Some are doing it out of misguided sense of purpose while others are doing it for power and wealth.

Preservation of our culture is important and it is important to speak up and defend it but give XI’s desire to have the planet speaking Chinese and reciting Confucius, I would suggest that the issue is far more about culture than race and that the left has no clue about the journey they are attempting to force us into. I would also say that there are some things about our culture that we need be aware of; there are people who see a goal in human immortality. These are very much people of the ‘West’ and they have a very clear vision of reaching into the guts of humanity and ripping out its soul. Put the totality of your memory in an AI device and mount it on a self replicating robot and call it immortality. Only a few will be immortal and your brain and even your white body will be irrelevant.

-Scott

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#2

A lot of assumptions with no supporting data.


Race Realism Is Not Racism
#3

I’d just repeat the points I made in this reply to @3percenter

Some otherwise reasonable science is tainted by bias so who is to know the absolute truth.

just . . . :hear_no_evil: :see_no_evil: :speak_no_evil:


#4

And yet as you have pointed out on the other thread… no one challenges the points. I started to add this to that thread but it was simply to long. Most of the debunks that I provided in this to JQP were elementary rebuttal to his claims and poor use of things like Kings quote but taken totally out of context… He was in fact eluding to institutional racism. and of course if you want to challenge science… then perhaps a critical look at the resource you rely on would likely find it no less suspect. SAT scores for instance have been clearly linked to the socioeconomic status and income of the parents… how much of the perceived difference is some deficiency in learning and how much is disadvantage from day one. If you want to have a discussion as you indicated elsewhere… take my points apart.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797612438732

The authors find that the “SAT retains the vast majority of its weight in predicting subsequent college grades when high school GPA and SES (Socioeconomic Status) are controlled” and that the “relationship between SAT score and freshman GPA is not substantially reduced when SES is controlled.” The study concludes that “given these two findings, it is not the case that the SAT is nothing more than a proxy for SES.”


#5

The post I just appended to the other thread where you queried me there will suffice.
1) in-group preferences
2) game theory
This is actually the dynamo that drives species evolution.
It can be seen in other species also.
Competition is no sin, it is natural.

The Democrats in the USA aren’t the cause of the anti-white anti-hegemonic alliance craving demagogues who further feed the anti-white heterosexual witch hunts, they’re simply the symptom of people unable to compete in a pure meritocracy (biology and some cultural baggage; more of the former for obvious reasons).

Being in an almost pure democracy now, these people have the ability to pull the strong core demographic down to the ground using the ballot box, out of pure ressentiment - as Nietzsche correctly predicted, though he got the agency wrong (he said it would be the Chrisians, lol).

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You can change lots of things in this world, except :
1) biology
2) the madness of large crowds of people
3) greed


#6

I did treat this point in that other thread. I know there are :
1) Environmental
2) Biological
… factors which effect SAT and IQ score averages. But if your parents have a low IQ and thus can’t compete, thus can’t afford to send their child to a good school, is this the fault of white people? It all starts to get into a very slippery slope argument where whites begin to apologize for their privilege.

Take a pygmy in Africa for example. They’re about 4 and a half foot high at most, have extremely small heads thus brain cavities, and are not abnormal, they’re just a different race. On fluid IQ tests they literally score an average of 53 !!

Do you think if every pygmy were raised in an upper class white cosmopolitan household and sent to the best school that they could compete with even an average Eurasian? They can’t. It’s not their fault, but it isn’t the fault of whites either. The solution in that particular case would be that they need separate living spaces.

Anthropologists have proven using primate evolution that average brain size is the #1 determinant of IQ. sub-Saharan races have ~80 cubic centimeters less brain material than Eurasians (East Asians have ~13cc more than Europeans). You’re completely ignoring biological destiny as applied to race, because it is too sensitive of an issue. I do understand this feeling, I used to resist talking about this issue also. I can’t ignore it anymore because the demagogues are MAKING it an issue, so it obviously has to be pulled out of the closet.

But what’s worse? Is it worse that the subject is insensitive, or that blacks are made to feel as if it is whitey holding them down because people are too concerned with not hurting their feelings? Because it’s all socio-economic factors? That it could be fixed with improving their socio-economics even though it’s a biological determinant? Life isn’t about feelings, it’s about the truth, and whites should not have to apologize for the short straw of other peoples.

Neuroscientists who studied the brain scans of nearly
1,100 children and young adults nationwide from ages 3 to 20 found that the surface area of the cerebral cortex was linked to family income. They discovered that the brains of children in families that earned less than $25,000 a year had surface areas 6 percent smaller than those whose families earned $150,000 or more. The poor children also scored lower on average on a battery of cognitive tests.

The region of the brain in question handles language, memory, spatial skills and reasoning, all important to success in school and beyond.

Why on earth would they have smaller brains? Because on average, the socio-economic status of the parents is a result of their lower IQ which is highly heritable (it’s biology) thus the children have smaller brains. Their brains aren’t smaller because they’re going to an average or bad school, it’s because their family has found its place in the social hierarchy, BASED ON GENETICS !!

Now, apply this to sub-Saharan Africans.

Abstract
A review of the world literature on brain size and IQ by Rushton [Rushton, J. P. (1995).
Race, evolution, and behavior: a life history perspective. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction] found that African-descended people (Blacks) average cranial capacities of 1267 cm³ , European-descended people (Whites) 1347 cm³ , and East Asian-descended people (East Asians) 1364 cm³ . These brain size differences, containing millions of brain cells and hundreds of millions of synapses, were hypothesized to underlie the race differences on IQ tests, in which Blacks average an IQ of 85, Whites 100, and East Asians 106. The validity of the race differences in brain size, however, continues to be disputed. In the present study, the race differences in brain size are correlated with 37 musculoskeletal variables shown in standard evolutionary textbooks to change systematically with increments in brain size. The 37 variables include cranial traits (such as jaw size and shape, tooth size and shape, muscle attachment sites, and orbital bone indentations), and postcranial traits (such as pelvic width, thighbone curvature, and knee joint surface area). Across the three populations, the ‘‘ecological correlations’’ [Jensen, A. R.(1998). The g factor. Westport, CT: Praeger] between brain size and the 37 morphological traits averaged a remarkable r= .94; p= .94. If the races did not differ in brain size, these correlations could not have been found. It must be concluded that the race differences in average brain size are securely established. As such, brain size-related variables provide the most likely biological mediators of the race differences in intelligence.

Black African American Males vote Democrat 85%+
Black African American Females vote Democrat 95%+
There’s a reason for this. It’s rooted in biology and it’s based on the fact that when we are using AVERAGES, the socioeconomic status of blacks is a function of biological inheritance, not because socioeconomic status of every black child is purely the result of socioeconomic status of their parents (or simply mother as most of the fathers leave during childhood - statistical fact).

On Asian vs European IQ difference and the profile differences …

I just can’t address every single point you and JQP have between your articles/reply or the nuance in each point of contention. Otherwise it would simply be an exercise in casuistry as JQP’s article was general in nature in the first place. Damn, I wish I could be more general, because usually when I write an article I feel as if 10,000 words isn’t enough … but then nobody would read it anyway.


#7

They are not a different race. There are only 3 major races:

Negroid
Caucasoid
Asian

Some people add:
Australoid

To my knowledge, all Pygmies are Negroid. Perhaps a different breed of Negroid…similar to pygmy horses, pygmy rhinos, miniature pigs, and all breeds of dogs.


#8

Woah…this place is getting interesting. I’m in the middle of chemo so thanks to all for the good discussions. Whether we agree with each other or not I think it’s good that we have the discussions and act like gentlemen. It’s the way to be.


#9

Race is merely a subjective term to describe genetic bottlenecks occurring as the result of geographical separation over time, allowing environmental factors to alter genetics. At what particular critical bottleneck we decide to attach a distinction to, is different depending on the requirement.

Based on your classification system, answer me this, if you can : A person whose father is a pure Negroid and a mother is a pure Asian, would fall in which of your three categories? Obviously they are a living breathing person with a phylogeny, but do they then have a ‘race’? I believe they do. If 12 people with the same multiracial parentage were the last twelve people on earth, there would literally be one race, but the categories of Caucasoid, Negroid and Asian would no longer exist. Thus, logically, race will always be an ultimately subjective classification with only imperfect objectivity (unless the 12 person scenario, etc… were to occur).

The origins of the Pygmy are a mystery, but they are definitely negroid in broad category.

A Short History of African Pygmies

Short people known as pygmies are scattered across equatorial Africa, where they speak various languages, inhabit different types of forests, and hunt and gather food in diverse ways. Despite their cultural variety, a new study shows that the pygmies of Western Central Africa descended from an ancestral population that survived intact until 2800 years ago when farmers invaded the pygmies’ territory and split them apart.

The origins of pygmies have long been a mystery. Researchers have debated whether African pygmies inherited their height from a common ancestor they shared long ago or whether shortness evolved independently in each tribe because it was advantageous for life in the forest. For instance, getting enough calories to grow taller might have been more challenging than in more open terrain. Pygmies grow up just like other modern humans until they become teenagers, when they fail to undergo a final adolescent growth spurt.

They have a unique phylogeny and so many divergences from any other ‘race’ on earth, that they can be considered a different ‘race’. For instance, there’s a reason that Bantu’s enslaved them in the Congo. They obviously could not compete with Bantu’s in any way, mentally or physically.


#10

Good luck with the chemo. Sorry to hear of your bad luck.
Hope you get through it, positive thinking is better than a placebo.


#11

They would be multi-racial or mixed race. I suspect that a significant part of the world’s population of homo sapiens are of mixed race. They are a mixture of Negroid, Caucasoid and Asian. This does not obliterate the original racial categories…just as mixing paints does not obliterate the existence of any one of the only three primary colors; red, blue, and yellow.


#12

Thanks @Choroin_O_Ceallaigh - Throat cancer but we caught it early enough where it is big enough to be a problem but hasn’t spread. The docs are going to shrink it down then do some surgery. It’s working well but man chemo sucks…I had to buy all new clothes! I haven’t been this slim since my 20s. This is what smoking 3 cigars a day for 20 years will do. But hey, I live in South Florida and once my cancer is gone the doc says I can do one a day. If you can’t have a good cigar with a nice scotch…is life worth living :crazy_face: ?

My wife and daughter haven’t allowed me to be a pussy about this. Apparently, I don’t have their permission to kick the bucket yet!

To all you big tough guys out there. Go to the doc for your checkups and always get checked. Don’t skip for a few years like me.


#13

Caucasoids and Asians have from 3% to 6% Neanderthal genetics.
Were the Neanderthal’s ever a separate ‘race’ or were they for some reason subordinated to the future existence of three broad categories of homo sapien sapiens? If they were a ‘race’ then wouldn’t Asians and Europeans be considered ‘mixed race’?

Race is merely a convenient classification system for ease of discussing phylogeny. That’s all it is. I don’t believe the three races you highlight can be compared to primary colors because primary colors were never dependent on existence within a time frame, they just are. Every human on earth can be destroyed, making us an irrelevancy, but you can’t destroy the concept of the primary color system.


#14

Cigars and scotch were born for each other. I was in a cigar club for years until the local restaurants were forced to ban smoking or patrons under 21 in their establishments.

One member would bring a cigar for each member and we’d have our drink of choice, cigar and conversation for hours, most often accompanied by dinner entrees just to keep the owner happy. I am a user of single malt scotches.

One member brought a friend one evening who provided an entire box of genuine Cuban cigars…best cigar I ever smoked. Several of us would often request shot glasses of Grand Marnier for dipping the mouth end of the cigar into now and then. Talk about Heavenly!

I wish you great speed in a total recovery from your throat cancer. Your doctor’s permission to have one a day reminds me of one of my grandmother’s teachings:

In everything, moderation; too much of a good thing is bad.


#15

Just as one cannot “unmix” combinations of the primary paint colors once they are mixed, one cannot unmix the genetics of mixed race humans. That still does not destroy the separateness of the three primary races. The just are!

Your argument is similar to that of the liberals today trying to create 47 genders. It just ain’t so.


#16

No, no. You’re comparing aspects of biology which are not comparable to build a strawman argument. Gender serves procreation and all humans of every race are sexually dimorphic. Races are not dimorphic or trimorphic, etc… they are simply phylogenetic classifications relevant for only a specific period in human time where they exist.

You’ll find that your mode of argument is far more similar to that of leftists, who attempt to destroy objective reasoning by introducing unrelated analogy. ie, hotels who used to decline a room for a black person but allow whites, were declining service, thus a Christian bakery which produces wedding cakes cannot decline service to two homosexuals. This is leftism 101.

Gender and race are both biological but gender applies uniformly in all races as a dimorphism, whereas race has no effect on gender.


#17

One of the chief drivers of early childhood brain development is stimulation- visual, auditory, problem solving, etc. A child of an affluent family has mobiles above him/her in the crib, various brightly colored toys, and likely attentive parents. Such children also receive more encouragement (though perhaps with the last gen- a bit too much). Activities are both academic, and one hopes sports, or at least being adventurous with other kids.

Children of blue collar tradesmen often learn how to solve physical problems (repair/fabrication) and so tend to be ‘handy’ themselves. They will tend to have a more realistic view of the world than their private school brethren.

Children of poverty have none of these enhancements, and have deficits that are maintained and worsened by lack of instruction, lack of problem solving, lack of nurture, and often lack of a father figure. As if that weren’t bad enough, their teachers excuse their inability, and unwillingness to behave out of both ‘PWB syndrome’ (Patronizing White Bwaana), and genuine fear of litigation, or even violence.

With low expectations, any kid can devolve, regardless of race.


#18

I did not claim that you or I believe there are more than 2 genders. My analogy regarding liberals’ attempts at gender manufacturing and your attempt at manufacturing races is valid.

As stated above, my analogy is valid.

I have no disagreement with this. There are two genders, not only as related to humans, but also to essentially all of the animals.

As a side note: Only the date palm tree has male and female trees.


#19

God willing, you will undergo a speedy recovery. Best of luck, my friend.


#20

Disappointing article. We frequently have found ourselves pondering the same quandary: the chicken or the egg? Nature or nurture? While it’s certainly a mixture of the two, one cannot simply commit the fallacy of asserting correlation demonstrates causation.
As an example, regarding SAT scores, it’s insufficient to argue that due to the correlation between low scorers and belonging to low income families, this is therefore the sole or principal cause in their underachievement. The truth is, you must RECONCILE those two factors through evidence.
Choroin seems to be the only person providing source-based evidence where this is concerned, rather than speculation and assertion. An objectively and intellectually curious individual would seek to rule out a THIRD possible factor which causes BOTH these races’ academic and economic underachievement, which Choroin postulates is phylogenetic in nature, with which I certainly tend to agree.

P.S - An interesting graph detailed genetic distance between distinct races/ethnicity, the closer together they are, the more likely they belong to a common taxonomical grouping (Chinese/Japanese in Mongoloids or Englishmen/Semites

in Caucasoids).