Should Marijuana Be Legal?


#41

You can smell growing pot plants in your house from two blocks away? Are you sure no one is smoking pot in your house?

I haven’t been around pot in a while, but I do remember plants having a smell…but nothing that you would be able to smell from two blocks away!


#42

Please come to Denver.

You can tell a grow house when they vent gasses as well as 12 6’ long pot vines.


#43

If it’s not legalized it can’t be taxed.


#44

Yeah and? We don’t need most of taxes we have, the government wastes so much money.


#45

LOL,
How would they ever pay for all the entitlement programs.


#46

While two blocks might sound a stretch… the strain didn’t get the name ‘skunk’ for no reason…


#47

The plants are not plants they are vines. Since the legalization, growers that are serious groom the plants into vins. Normal is 6’ and they can continue to 12 ft’ space dependent.


#48

My take on this from a libertarian point of few and from someone who has imbibed in a little herb from time to time is that this discussion, at least in America is, difficult.

Lou’s point about the rather strong smell of modern pot varieties is valid. I have talked with people in Spain who find a neighbor growing only one or two plants to be a … nasal infringement.
The other thing about this subject is that America has yet to believe that its people can actually behave like adults. That use to be the exclusive purview of the religious right but now the left is infected with the same belief that government must intervene in social culture.

German children are exposed to alcohol and indeed nudity quite early in life and while children must be supervised, there is no age restriction on a child being in a bar… Drunks are dealt with rather firmly by proprietors and if that doesn’t fix the problem the police are called. Children learn about responsible consumption and are guided by their parents in understanding the effects of alcohol early in life.

Similarly Holland had the same arm waving discussions about ‘coffeeshops’. Stoned hippies pouring out into the streets and of course moving from pot to … the hard stuff. Actually what they, as well as Portugal, have found is that, yes, some people are destine to be stoners… legal or otherwise, but the vast majority of people consume pot just as responsibly as most alcohol users. America is so obsessed with babysitting people that we still hide playboy under the bed, steal nips out of daddy’s gin bottle and by pot from some of Americas less savory characters. Let people grow up and learn about things from responsible parents… and let people learn that actions have consequences… People can learn…


#49

They are just trimming of the excess graft… as the old saying goes… “No stems, no seeds that you don’t need… Acapulco Gold is bad ass weed” :grin:


#50

They don’t smoke the stems or the leaves, just the buds, hence the high TCP levels. Stems, leaves are made into food products, gummy bears etc.

Something for the sickly among us:


#51

You wouldn’t say that about a master brewer or a master distiller… but they did during prohibition…


#52

Some yes, others in their country, not so much.

Need proof?
Th re-election of politicians who are virtually worthless.


#53

It’s these very politicians that protect them from having to learn… and they know it…


#54

Watching shows like “COPS” were you see ordinary people getting locked up for having pot on them and the cops seizing their money and auto while other States profit off the sale seems ridiculous ! Something needs to change !


#55

By Kristen Wyatt, The Associated Press

DENVER — Colorado is considering an unusual strategy to protect its nascent marijuana industry from a potential federal crackdown, even at the expense of hundreds of millions of dollars in tax collections.

A bill pending in the Legislature would allow pot growers and retailers to reclassify their recreational pot as medical pot if a change in federal law or enforcement occurs.

It’s the boldest attempt yet by a U.S. marijuana state to avoid federal intervention in its weed market.

The bill would allow Colorado’s 500 or so licensed recreational pot growers to instantly reclassify their weed. A switch would cost the state more than $100 million a year because Colorado taxes medical pot much more lightly than recreational weed — 2.9 percent versus 17.9 percent.

The measure says licensed growers could immediately become medical licensees “based on a business need due to a change in local, state or federal law or enforcement policy.” The change wouldn’t take recreational marijuana off the books, but it wouldn’t entirely safeguard it either. What it could do is help growers protect their inventory in case federal authorities start seizing recreational pot.

The provision is getting a lot of attention in the marijuana industry following recent comments from members of President Donald Trump’s administration. White House spokesman Sean Spicer has said there’s a “big difference” between medical and recreational pot.

The state had about 827,000 marijuana plants growing in the retail system in June, the latest available data. More than half were for the recreational market.

“If there is a change in federal law, then I think all of our businesses want to stay in business somehow. They’ve made major investments,” said Sen. Tim Neville, a suburban Denver Republican who sponsored the bill.

If federal authorities start seizing recreational pot, Colorado’s recreational marijuana entrepreneurs “need to be able to convert that product into the medical side so they can sell it,” Neville said.

His bill passed a committee in the Republican Senate 4-1 last week.

But it’s unclear whether the measure could pass the full Colorado Senate or the Democratic House. Skeptics of the proposal doubt the classification change would do much more than cost Colorado tax money.

“It’s a big deal for our taxation system because this money has been coming in and has been set aside for this, that and the other,” said Sen. Lois Court, a Denver Democrat who voted against the bill.

Schools would be the first casualty of a tax change. Colorado sends $40 million a year to a school-construction fund from excise taxes on recreational pot. It’s a tax that doesn’t exist for medical pot.

Other items funded by recreational pot in Colorado include training for police in identifying stoned drivers, a public-education campaign aimed at reducing teen marijuana use, and an array of medical studies on marijuana’s effectiveness treating ailments such as seizures or post-traumatic stress disorder.

The proposal comes amid mixed signals from the federal government on how the Trump administration plans to treat states that aren’t enforcing federal drug law.

Spicer said the president understands the pain and suffering many people, especially those with terminal diseases, endure “and the comfort that some of these drugs, including medical marijuana, can bring to them.”

But Attorney General Jeff Sessions has voiced doubts about pot’s medical value.

“Medical marijuana has been hyped, maybe too much,” Sessions said in a speech to law enforcement agencies in Richmond, Virginia.

Marijuana activists say giving the industry an option to keep their inventory legal is a valuable idea for recreational pot states. They point out that a change in federal policy wouldn’t make the drug magically disappear from the eight states that allow recreational use, along with Washington, D.C.

“It would be very harmful to the state if it reverts back entirely to an underground market,” said Mason Tvert, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, a pro-legalization activist group.

If the bill becomes law, Colorado would be the first pot state to take action to protect producers from a federal drug crackdown, marijuana analysts said.

A bill pending in the Oregon Legislature aims to shield the names and other personal information of pot buyers by making it illegal for shops to keep an internal log of customers’ personal data, a practice that is already banned or discouraged in Colorado, Alaska and Washington state.

Other states such as California are considering proposals that would bar local and state law enforcement from cooperating with federal authorities on investigations into cannabis operations that are legal in their jurisdictions.

Meanwhile, members of Congress from some pot states have talked about trying to block federal intervention in marijuana states. Congress could reclassify marijuana so medical use is allowed, or it could try to block federal enforcement of marijuana prohibition through the federal budget.

But the proposed Colorado change may be a longshot effort.

Medical and recreational pot are the same product. The only difference between them is how they are used, and the U.S. Controlled Substances Act says marijuana has no valid medical use. Federal health regulators have rejected repeated attempts to carve out a legal place for marijuana use by sick people.

Sponsors concede there are no promises that reclassifying all that pot as medicine would stop a federal crackdown.

But they say Colorado shouldn’t sit idly by and wait to see if the Trump administration starts enforcing federal drug law by attacking businesses that are legal under state law.

“This bill allows the industry to know there is something after tomorrow, whatever tomorrow may bring,” Neville said.

Associated Press writers Sadie Gurman in Washington and Kristena Hansen in Salem, Oregon, contributed to this report.


#56

These snakes built their empires off the backs of sick patients. Sounds like some are real nervous about the karma train.


#57

It’s all about taxes in Colorado. Part of the taxes for pot that are collected will be used to pay the states share of ACA medicaid. The voters did not approve tax dollars to be spent on medicaid so the state is in a bind. 1 in 5 in Colorado are on medicaid.

The brings another thought to mind. The takings clause. In the past if you were on medicaid and died the state would take your estate as repayment for medicaid support. The ACA has not clarified if the takings clause will be valid when medicaid under the ACA is used by people today. What a shock that could be for the 1 in 5 today.

40% of Colorado’s state budget is spent today on medicaid.


#58

Here is my take on this and it may not make me a rigid conservative but whatever.

I don’t do drugs but people are going to smoke pot no matter if it is legal or illegal. If making pot legal for the pot heads lowers my tax burden or completely eliminates state tax or reliance on the federal government for anything, then make it legal and tax the hell out of it.

I know plenty of conservatives who drink too much. They get to do that. If people are going to smoke pot just the same as a drunk is going to drink too much then make them pay for it and stop putting the money in the hands of filthy criminals.


#59

That would be Great but this is government we are talking about. Government spends whatever government can take from the people. In Colorado we have had 2 ballot measures to raise taxes. Both went down in flames. The government accepted the medicaid money from the Federal Government without funding. Part of the POT tax dollars will be used to pay for the increase in medicaid cost. Currently Colorado pays 40% of the budget for medicaid. That will escalate to 45% when the full 10% kicks in. The newest proposal an increase in sales tax to fund infrastructure improvement.

So much for the 25% they collect in POT taxes. The Colorado Department of Revenue, according to recently released figures, just brought in $70 million in taxes relating to marijuana (2015).

As a side note politicians are beyond devious. They wanted the lottery, the profits would be used to fund parks and recreation. It was, the only problem they defunded the tax dollars supporting the parks and used solely lottery dollars a net break even as they diverted the parks tax dollars to other desires.

The problem is that some professions require no Pot/drug/alcohol use. Those that partake are terminated. Lawsuits abound as people feel it’s legal and they should not be terminated. Imagine a partially high person working on 14.4 KVA primary voltage. Not to mention the other problems associated with legalized pot use.


#60

To your point, I find it funny that with all of that money coming in Denver still manages to be a sanctuary city and cry about their desperate need for federal tax dollars.