Shut down the government until you give us border security!


#21

Probably true, but there’s enough republicans that don’t want his damn stupid wall and never did. What’s funny about the whole thing is how quickly Trump and the Trumper accepted the reality that Mexico isn’t paying for the damn wall and have accepted that the American tax payer should pay for it. Hypocrisy is thick.


#22

Democrats are running on banning straws and military to pay to cut off cocks lol


#23

He was not candidate Trump at that time as you incorrectly stated. He was private citizen Trump. Stop spreading fake news.


#24

You’re correct, he was private citizen Trump, both when he said it and when he was candidate, now then, let’s talk about his comment as private citizen that when the government shuts down, “ITS THE PRESIDENTS FAULT”!!!


#25

He got the money he wanted for the military and was up against a rather formidable obstructionist lot… Bad negotiator or bad faith actors even within his own party? We are seeing this again with the comments by Ryan and McConnell over funding border security and the wall even if people on the right and their very own constituents have been clear about supporting Trumps position on immigration. Obama’s shutdown was over a bill that ‘you have to pass it to see what is in it’ and an individual mandate that, without the help of a Supreme Court judge working outside his mandate, was clearly unconstitutional. Nothing Trump is wanting to do is unconstitutional and is supported by a majority of Americans because more and more people are seeing that congress has its own interests in mind… and they aren’t that of the American people.


#26

One way or another, Mexico is going to pay for it… I still believe that. Even if not one red cent comes directly from the treasury of Mexico, the cost of dealing with illegal immigration will go down, the amount of remittance leaving the US will go down and trade deals will likely reflect a shift in fortune as well…


#27

Lol, that’s assuming that we’re going to see Trumps 30’ opulent and expensive Wall along our southern border. Want to bet that fantasy NEVER MATERIALIZES???


#28

He said that the president is responsible for a government shutdown. hes right, bc hes the one shutting down the government down for more border security.

Please learn the difference between “fault” and “responsibility”.


#29

It’s the presidents responsibility to AVOID a government shutdown, not threaten one! At least that was the presidents position before he became one. :rofl:

“When they talk about the government shutdown” in the future, “they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States.”

To drive home his point, Trump at that time concluded by saying: “I really think the pressure is on the president” to find a way to avoid a shutdown.


#30

Capitulation is not a way of avoiding a shutdown… not if you care about your power of the veto… Of course the pressure is on the president… he has a veto and a responsibility to the people who elected him. I can bet however that Trump will not use the shutdown to political grandstand at the base of Mt. Rushmore…


#31

What this is is a power play by the oligarchy telling the American working class they want open borders and there is nothing we can do about it !

This is about the ruling class Americas Oligarchy calling in the debt that politicians owe them . Telling them under no circumstances can America secure its borders .

To put it bluntly they are saying fuck President Trump fuck the citizens that elected him .
They have bought and payed for the congress of the United States of America and if congress want to get reelected they better tow the line !

It is not that employers are evil in their willingness to give preference to illegal immigrants. It is that they are pragmatic in their decision making. Illegal immigrants are available because the federal government has chosen to do little to monitor the work sites of the nation. Seldom are any penalties placed on employers who violate the ban against hiring illegal immigrants working even though it has existed since1986. Moreover, because of this self-imposed impotence by the federal government, employers who try to follow the law are penalized because they must compete with employers who violate the law and benefit by paying lower wages and providing cheaper working conditions that are more profitable to these employer but hazardous to the illegal workers. The status quo, therefore, is a perversity of justice. Law breakers are rewarded while law abiders are punished.https://cis.org/Testimony/Illegal-Immigration-Impact-Wages-and-Employment-Black-Workers

A case for open borders and how it can boost the world economy
In 2015, in the lead up to the 2016 presidential election, Bernie Sanders infamously insisted that open borders is “a Koch Brothers proposal,” and free immigration is a “right-wing proposal, which essentially says that there is no United States.” Vox’s Ezra Klein, Bernie’s interviewer, quite correctly observed that open borders would “make the global poor richer.”
"Here on this issue, we have Democrats where we want to make sure that their constituents are aware that they are working on a permanent solution for DREAMers and on border security. So it certainly is a unique effort."http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/393771-a-case-for-open-borders-and-how-it-can-boost-the-world-economy

It’s a novel approach for a network that has made a name for itself for funding causes on the right — and has only very sparsely praised anyone in the Democratic Party.

But the Republican Party under the Trump administration has not moved closer to the libertarian philosophy favored by the Kochs: The White House has pursued foreign tariffs, taken a hard line on immigration, and approved a massive spending bill that would increase the deficit.

As the Republican Party moves further away from the Kochs’ ideals, it appears that their network has begun investing in bipartisan efforts that unite members of both parties.
Republicans still make up more than half of the beneficiaries of this ad blitz — six GOP House members and three GOP Senate lawmakers will get kudos from the Koch network. They have already pledged to spend nearly $400 million in 2017-2018 to back the Koch Network’s policy goals in various states and the federal level, including the free market policy gains achieved by the Republican-controlled Congress.https://www.npr.org/2018/05/17/611798012/breaking-with-trumps-gop-koch-brothers-praise-democrats-on-immigration

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell won’t include Trump’s border wall in the September funding bill !


Here are 13 Republicans that are pushing for open borders.
imagehttps://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8t5xo3/here_are_13_republicans_that_are_pushing_for_open/

If something seems too good to be true, it probably is not actually true. But occasionally it is. Michael Clemens, an economist at the Centre for Global Development, an anti-poverty think-tank in Washington, DC, argues that there are “trillion-dollar bills on the sidewalk”. One seemingly simple policy could make the world twice as rich as it is: open borders.
“Labour is the world’s most valuable commodity—yet thanks to strict immigration regulation, most of it goes to waste,” argue Bryan Caplan and Vipul Naik in “A radical case for open borders”. Mexican labourers who migrate to the United States can expect to earn 150% more. Unskilled Nigerians make 1,000% more.https://www.economist.com/the-world-if/2017/07/13/a-world-of-free-movement-would-be-78-trillion-richer

Illegal Immigration and Black Workers

Illegal immigrant workers tend to concentrate in labor markets that have high concentrations of legal immigrants and citizens (native born and naturalized who are from similar ethnic and racial backgrounds). It is more difficult for authorities to identify them under these circumstances and they can rely on networks of friends and family members as well as other employers and community assistance organizations composed of members of their same backgrounds to find employment. As a consequence, there is a tendency for illegal immigrants to cluster in metropolitan areas (especially central cities) or in rural areas that already have concentrations of persons from similar backgrounds.

Black workers also tend to be concentrated in metropolitan areas – especially in central cities. The only rural labor markets where black Americans are of significant number are in the Southeastern states – a legacy of the slavery heritage of yesteryear.
Because most illegal immigrants overwhelmingly seek work in the low skilled labor market and because the black American labor force is so disproportionately concentrated in this same low wage sector, there is little doubt that there is significant overlap in competition for jobs in this sector of the labor market. Given the inordinately high unemployment rates for low skilled black workers (the highest for all racial and ethnic groups for whom data is collected), it is obvious that the major looser in this competition are low skilled black workers. This is not surprising, since if employers have an opportunity to hire illegal immigrant workers, they will always give them preference over legal workers of any race or ethnic background. This is because illegal immigrant workers view low skilled jobs in the American economy as being highly preferable to the job opportunities in their homelands that they have left. A job that pays the federal minimum wage of $7.15 an hour (some states and localities have even higher minimum wages) is often several times higher than the daily wage they could earn in their homelands, if they could get a job at all. Even the worst working conditions in the United States are typically better than what many have experienced before they came to this country. Illegal immigrants, therefore, are often grateful to receive these low wages and they will do whatever it takes to get these jobs (even if it means living in crowded and substandard living conditions and working under harsh and dangerous conditions). It is also easier for some employers to exploit illegal immigrant workers by paying them less than the minimum wage and not paying them overtime wages because they are fearful of revealing their vulnerable status if they were to complain. Citizen workers know that paying the minimum wages means that the employer values your work at the lowest level that he/she can legally pay. Furthermore, citizen workers expect labor and safety laws to be enforced because they believe they have legal rights to job protections. It is not that citizen workers will not do the work that illegal immigrants are willing to do. Rather, it is that citizens often will not do the work for the same pay and under the same working conditions as will illegal immigrants – nor should they.https://cis.org/Testimony/Illegal-Immigration-Impact-Wages-and-Employment-Black-Workers


#32

The point…government shutdowns will be owned by the president, as Trump said. But then he also said, government shutdowns are good, and the country could use a good shutdown. Other than this imbecile, point me to a president that has ever used a government shutdown to brow beat anyone as Trump is.


#33

His job it to protect his citizens from foreign enemies. Mexicana are our enemies


#34

You do know that you are carrying the water for the rich and powerful ?
Oppressing American citizens of color and endorsing forced and child labor .


#35

He’s a Democrat slavery is the end result of Democrat ideology


#36

Lmao, he’s already using it to grandstand and he hasn’t even shut the government down yet!!


#37

Every jobless crime ridden town in America is run by Democrats


#38

I have told you REPEATEDLY that neither party supports Trumps stupid ass border wall and you won’t see it. It is a Trumper fantasy. I know he went to San Diego and looked at 6 big beautiful prototypes this spring, and picked out the one that he thinks would be the prettiest with his name emblazoned in gold every 100 yards, but you’re never going to see that across the the US Mexican border from Tijuana to Brownsville. Take that to the bank.


#39

Just let Americans pay for the wall we want to pay for it! We will save taxes over the years to get our money back!


#40

Obama who used every lever possible to make the shutdown obvious and inconvenient to the common man… up to the point of turning veterans away from Washington monuments… the cost of the barricades and guards cause more than a few park service rangers…