Tax Reform 2017


That’s a bit broad brushed right there.


In his State of the Union address, President Obama vowed to tackle income inequality and declining economic mobility. If this venture goes as well as health care reform, working Americans had better watch out. Obama plans to use bigger government, more taxes and more regulation to push his agenda, but economic evidence, moral arguments, and good ol’ common sense suggest that reducing the size and scope of the federal government will actually be more beneficial.

Initially, it might seem counterintuitive that less government would be helpful, but the government itself takes many actions that create economic inequality. One of the major causes of this government-driven economic inequality is the welfare system. Welfare is supposed to provide assistance to the poor so they may live reasonably comfortable lives, but in many cases, it acts as a trap to keep people in poverty. If you’re poor, you should have a natural desire to climb the economic ladder to make more money, but free money from the government can erode this desire. Why work harder for more money if you can just get a check from the government? I’m well aware that not everyone has this mindset, but enough people do to make it a serious problem. We must ask ourselves if these policies are truly helping the poor or if they’re just a way of appeasing our ethical obligations by making us think we’re helping.


In 2005, more than half of poor households had at least five of the following 10 conveniences: a computer, cable or satellite TV, air conditioning, Internet service, a large-screen TV, non-portable stereo, computer printer, separate freezer or second refrigerator, microwave, and at least one color TV. One-fourth of the poor had seven or more of these 10 items in their homes.

And that was in 2005.


Malnutrition (also called undernutrition) is a condition of reduced health due to a chronic shortage of calories and nutriments. There is little or no evidence of poverty-induced malnutrition in the United States. It is often believed that a lack of financial resources forces poor people to eat low-quality diets that are deficient in nutriments and high in fat, but survey data show that nutriment density (amount of vitamins, minerals, and protein per kilocalorie of food) does not vary by income class. Nor do the poor consume higher-fat diets than do members of the middle class. The percentage of persons with high fat intake (as a share of total calories) is virtually the same for low-income and upper-middle-income persons. However, overconsumption of calories is a major problem among the poor, as it is in the general U.S. population.

Examination of the average nutriment consumption of Americans reveals that age and gender play a far greater role than income class in determining nutritional intake. For example, the nutriment intakes of adult women in the upper middle class (incomes above 350 percent of the poverty level—roughly $76,000 for a family of four in today’s dollars) more closely resemble the intakes of poor women than those of upper-middle-class men, children, or teens. The average nutriment consumption of upper-middle-income preschoolers is virtually identical with that of poor preschoolers, but not with the consumption of adults or older children in the upper middle class.

This same pattern holds for adult males, teens, and most other age and gender groups. In general, children who are 0–11 years old have the highest average level of nutriment intakes relative to the recommended daily allowance (RDA), followed by adult and teen males. Adult and teen females have the lowest level of intakes. This pattern holds for all income classes.


There is of course poor… those who need three hot’s and a cot and those who aren’t up to the living standards set by, what so might say, is a totally unrealistic expectation of our socialist brotherin and still have people people who are willing to get off their butts and get a job. Yes, we need to take care of the truly vulnerable, but we don’t have to pander to low energy and we most certainly are stupid in creating a society of people so deflated in expectation of themselves that they become wards of the state… Inner city poverty was never addressed… the projects only sedated a population and insured a democratic vote.


Yesterdays luxuries are today’s necessities !
Air conditioning in the 70s citizens could live with out . We could simply sit out side until the sun went down or go to a park .
Life in 2017 we risk being shot or assaulted just sitting in the shade waiting for the rooms to cool off !
The rest of your examples can be said to be a necessity of trying to survive life with both parents working in America 2017
"Other government surveys" This is 2017 and the days of believing or even trusting any government agency is long gone ! Trust but verify .
Life expectancy for working Americans has dropped for the first time in memory . And obesity is common in working class families !
“Other government surveys show that the average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and is well above recommended norms in most cases.”

“By their own reports, the average poor person had sufficient funds to meet all essential needs and to obtain medical care for family members throughout the year whenever needed”.
You have got to be kidding health care for working class is unaffordable UNLESS they have employer provided health care or medicaid with the government ! Deductibles north of $7000.00 out of pocket before the provider pays a dime is not viable for most poor families !
Poor or homeless is a couple of pay checks away for too many working class families .
There but for the grace of GOD go any of us .


Their is a difference between empathy that helps people up and the kind doled out by socialist society that creates a dependent class. Don’t forget that study after survey shows that Republicans have consistently donated more time and money to community efforts though Church and clubs like the Rotary than democrats… Other than a very heartless few, of which I am sure we can find many who are democrats, Republicans have never said that our most vulnerable should be left to die in the street… but then again, many republican’s have extended families who take care of each other… Democrats on the other hand have worked tirelessly to dismantle that most important of social structures…


Do understand that air conditioners, and Iphone subscriptions, and TV packages, and video games …and … and …and put people in the position of the two worker family being a necessity. Keeping up with the Jones isn’t new but it affects people much farther down the income scale than it use to. I mean, do you recall kids in the hood killing each other because someone got some AirJordons for Christmas?.. That ain’t poor but the expectation of those things make people think that they are poor.

As far as the medical goes… we have already talked about the reasons that medical costs go up… I see it here in Britain; people going to the doctor for a sniffle or a scratch or a pass to skip work for a tummy ache… Society being expected to pay for birth control when we are well aware of what causes it and it doesn’t require medication. It is in crisis over elderly people’s care but once again we can see what liberal society has done to the family…



The federal government currently funds 126 separate anti-poverty programs at an annual cost of $688 billion. Of these, 72 provide cash or other benefits directly to poor families. State, county, and municipal governments often operate additional benefit programs.

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), food stamps (SNAP), Medicaid, housing assistance, WIC, energy assistance (LIHEAP), and free commodities. We found that, in 2013, the value of those benefits varied widely across states, from a low of $16,984 in Mississippi to an astonishing high of $49,175 in Hawaii.

In nine states — Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maryland — as well as Washington, D.C., annual benefits were worth more than $35,000 a year. The median value of the welfare package across the 50 states is $28,500.
Welfare benefits are not taxed, while wages are, so we calculated how much money a welfare recipient receiving these six benefits would have to earn in pretax income if she took a job and left the welfare rolls. We computed the federal income tax, the state income tax, and the FICA payroll taxes one would have to pay on wage income; we also took into account both federal and state versions of the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) as well as child tax credits where available (these helped increase the relative value of work but did not fully offset the taxes due).

In Hawaii, a person leaving welfare for work would have to earn more than $60,590 a year to be better off. In fact, welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 34 states and the District of Columbia. In Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, D.C., welfare pays more than a $20-an-hour job, and in five additional states it yields more than a $15-per-hour job.

And tell everyone how welfare and the expanded social safety net doesn’t;t encourage not working especially if you live in Hawaii.


Poor people do not pay for healthcare, they are generally on medicaid.

So says the Federal government and the ACA.

74,161,192 individuals were enrolled in Medicaid and CHIP

Not all states are included in each of these figures due to missing data.


There are millions of American working class citizens that fall thru Medicaid cracks !
Medicaid eligibility is $16,642, and for a family of four, the upper income limit is $33,948.Nov 16, 2017 .
So if you make less then $16,642, you don’t qualify and if you make more then $33,948 you don’t qualify !


Look our government shipped their jobs to Communist China , Mexico , Vietnam , India and any other nation on earth that offered slave , forced , child , or cheap labor and no environmental laws .
The facts are there you can try and justify destroying the American working class by blaming the cost of labor or fiduciary responsibility but that is all bullshit a oligarchy decided they could buy Congress pass free trade kiss the ass of the world trade org and get filthy rich !
Our city’s states and our treasury suffered but Americas working class was decimated !
I don’t know anyone that wants a hand out from this fucking government if they didn’t need it !
All anyone wants is a descent job that allows them to pay their bill and support their family !


Yes they absolutely did.

Along with our jobs they also gave the Chinese our technology.

In return we got cheap imports and now rely on the Chinese for 30% of electronics for our military. 100% of our rare earth minerals as they drove our mining companies out of business.

Auto parts are made in China, clothing from all over the world.

Now we import beef from Mexico and Canada and not a word is said as long as it is cheap.

Yes and they decimated our solar panel industry with subsidized solar panels. Isn’t our government wonderful?

And the factors that moved labor as well as business overseas:
The cost of living in the US.

And it couldn’t have been done without the help of our benevolent government which includes both Republicons and Democons.

Don’t preach to me about foreign imports as I’m one of the few that pays more for made in America and I check the place of origin before buying. And Yes I drive autos produced in America by American automobile companies. (2 Fords, 1 GM) Not Toyota or Honda or any other foreign based company.


Gov’t increases tax for “income inequality” and regulation for “the environment”
–> Companies move factories elsewhere, where regulations and taxes dont kill their business
–> More people lose their jobs, get on the generous and increased welfare that costed them their jobs in the first place
–> Loitering around, smoking cigarettes, toss them on high ways
–>Massive wildfires, bye bye the environment
–>“well now we need more welfare, tax 90% of the top 1% please”

Commiefornia - a love story, ladies and gentlemen.


Yep, BOTH parties are responsible for this and both parties ought to be fired. If the 41% of registered independents would just fucking vote for independents it would be accomplished in the next election and the next one following that and so on.


No we don’t need or want more welfare we want and need our manufacturing back the jobs and taxes !


So lower taxes and get rids of business-killing regulations? I think the president has been doing that. But I guess people in general are being fed the “capitalism is evil” when in fact capitalism is the most effective cure to poverty throughout history.

You can also see that Americans are also getting more entitled and pessimistic as quality of life has increased tremendously over the past 50 years. Be grateful, instead of #RESISTING all day long, like @jbander


You keep saying that “if the 41% of registered independents would just fucking vote for independents” … The problem here is that the independent that I would vote for is unlikely to be the same one you vote for and if your simplistic answer is to elect a president who is an independent in a see of Republican and Democrats who run Washington, they will be ineffectual in getting anything done.

Third party politics in this era of divisiveness would be no easy ask if for no other reason than your view of the constitution is likely not similar to mine…


Really necessary or just for impact???


Fuck that it was capitalist that closed the door on American manufactures and built the Chinese economy funded their armed forces and screwed the American people !!
Capitalist suck the life out of America and deposited it in Communist China !