The FBI and police bare no responsibility for the shootings in Florida


Wasn’t Vietnam over 50 years ago?

And what war did you fight in or are you the same as Trump in this regard.


What about the TIC cutting funding for school safety/security and reversing an Obama era policy that would prevent some people with mental disability’s from obtaining firearms. There’s plenty of blame to go around but the partisan is always one sided.


Yeah, I know. Gone over a year but the Parkland shooting is Obama’s fault. :roll_eyes:


Exactly how much would Trumps budget???

And has that budget been approved by the House? By the Senate?

How will the 2 year spending package just passed and signed affect the supposed budget?

Com on John, lose the hate and fake nonsense you post.


Please explain how this is injurious to school safety.


Demonstrated history of violence may not be a mental illness, but it should qualify for listing on NCIC.


Perhaps you should address mental illness first before whining about firearms.

Think if a gun isn’t available a mentally ill person won’t find another way???


Schools are safer than they were in the 90s, and school shootings are not more common than they used to be, researchers say

The deadly school shooting this month in Parkland, Florida, has ignited national outrage and calls for action on gun reform. But while certain policies may help decrease gun violence in general, it’s unlikely that any of them will prevent mass school shootings, according to James Alan Fox, the Lipman Family Professor of Criminology, Law, and Public Policy at Northeastern.

Since 1996, there have been 16 multiple victim shootings in schools, or incidents involving 4 or more victims and at least 2 deaths by firearms, excluding the assailant.

Of these, 8 are mass shootings, or incidents involving 4 or more deaths, excluding the assailant.

Two Decades of Multiple-Victim School Shootings victims killed victims wounded
Stoneman DouglasHigh School17 killed14 wounded

“This is not an epidemic”
Mass school shootings are incredibly rare events. In research publishing later this year, Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel found that on average, mass murders occur between 20 and 30 times per year, and about one of those incidents on average takes place at a school.

Their research also finds that shooting incidents involving students have been declining since the 1990s.
lShootings: Risk, Readiness, and Response,” in H. Shapiro, ed., The Wiley Handbook on Violence in Education: Forms, Factors, and Preventions, New York: Wiley/Blackwell Publishers, June 2018.
Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today, Fox said.

“There is not an epidemic of school shootings,” he said, adding that more kids are killed each year from pool drownings or bicycle accidents. There are around 55 million school children in the United States, and on average over the past 25 years, about 10 students per year were killed by gunfire at school, according to Fox and Fridel’s research.

Fox said, however, some policy changes aimed at decreasing school shootings and gun violence in general certainly have merit. Banning bump stocks and raising the age of purchase for assault rifles from 18 to 21 are good ideas, and may lead to a decrease in overall gun violence, he said. But he doesn’t believe these measures will prevent school shootings. “The thing to remember is that these are extremely rare events, and no matter what you can come up with to prevent it, the shooter will have a workaround,” Fox said, adding that over the past 35 years, there have been only five cases in which someone ages 18 to 20 used an assault rifle in a mass shooting.

Fridel said increasing mental health resources for students is another strategy that might improve school safety, calling this a critical need that has been historically overlooked. She also said that the U.S. is facing a desperate shortage of guidance counselors. In 2014-15, the student-to-school counselor ratio was 482-to-1, according to the American School Counselor Association, nearly twice the organization’s recommended ratio.

“You might have students in a very large school who are troubled but who are basically flying under the radar, because you have one guidance counselor for 400 students,” Fridel said.

Should schools become fortresses?
After the Columbine High School shooting in 1999, schools across the country began holding active shooter drills in which they huddled together in a corner or hid under their desks. Such exercises—which may include someone walking around pretending to shoot students—can be very traumatic, Fridel said, and there is no evidence that they help protect students. “These measures just serve to alarm students and make them think it’s something that’s common,” she said.

Other safety precautions, such as installing metal detectors and requiring ID cards for entry, have also proven ineffective in past school shootings.

In 1989, a shooter killed five and injured 32 elementary school children in Stockton, California, by targeting them on the playground.

In 2005, a 16-year-old killed seven people at his Minnesota high school by walking through the front door metal detector and fatally shooting a guard.

In a 1998 shooting in Jonesboro, Arkansas, two students pulled a fire alarm and began sniping people as they filed out to the parking lot, killing five and wounding 10 others.
In addition to being ineffective, Fox said increased security measures of these kinds can do more harm than good. He called the suggestion to arm teachers “absurd” and “over the top.”“I’m not a big fan of making schools look like fortresses, because they send a message to kids that the bad guy is coming for you—if we’re surrounding you with security, you must have a bull’s-eye on your back,” Fox said. “That can actually instill fear, not relieve it.”


But then again we have more people influenced by the media than ever before in our history.


That’s not all he had a history of. :wink:


This joint resolution nullifies the “Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007” rule finalized by the Social Security Administration on December 19, 2016. The rule implements a plan to provide to the National Instant Criminal History Background Check System the name of an individual who meets certain criteria, including that benefit payments are made through a representative payee because the individual is determined to be mentally incapable of managing them. (Current law prohibits firearm sale or transfer to and purchase or possession by a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective.)


The original work of art was a regulation not a law. And why should the SS be allowed to establish if a person is a mental defective? This regulation is typical of going outside the lawmaking process a hallmark of democrat rule.

The ‘personal opinion’ of a bureaucrat cannot be the basis for taking away a person’s Second Amendment rights. The ‘disorder list’ is a convoluted mess of afflictions that may or may not cause someone to be dangerous. Many of the listed disorders also do not impact gun safety at all. For example, some afflictions deal with anxiety disorders, fear of large crowds, or a lack of self-esteem.

This resolution would repeal a regulation issued by the Social Security Administration (SSA) that requires the agency to submit personal information about beneficiaries deemed by the government to be “mental defectives” to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) if they’re unable to manage their own affairs and qualify for disability.

The regulation was finalized during the final weeks of the Obama administration, and was intended to prevent people with a “mental disorder” who receive disability benefits through a person responsible for their well-being from purchasing a firearm. The SSA maintains a list of mental disorders that would be used in referring individuals’ information to the NICS, which includes anxiety, bipolar disorder, depression, eating disorders, PTSD, and schizophrenia among other intellectual and personality disorders. Under the rule, people denied the ability to purchase a gun would be able to petition to have that right restored, but wouldn’t be afforded the ability to challenge the right being taken away in the first place.


Tell me how ‘equalizing’ quotas in anything doesn’t distort the outcomes of the overall group to which it is applied?


I think that the instant background check is not necessarily a bad thing… the part that has always raised my eyebrow is the same concerns I have with ‘no fly lists’ is finding your way on to a list is far easier than getting yourself off and the people who make the criteria aren’t necessarily thinking clearly. Take your example above.

I can think of a lot of reasons why someone could be otherwise rational and not be able to manage their finances. Gambling addiction comes to mind or the absolute ineptness of making and keeping to a budget. That doesn’t make them incapable of functioning in society and it doesn’t give the state the right to take away their ability to defend themselves. Yet, according to ‘the criteria’ this person looses a fundamental right of being a US citizen.




Not old enough to be putting their life on the line.


Obama supported the The School-to-Prison Pipeline .
Just another feel good progressive idea with deadly results !

Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., held the first federal hearing on the school-to-prison pipeline—an important step toward ending policies that favor incarceration over education and disproportionately push minority students and students with disabilities out of schools and into jails.

“For many young people, our schools are increasingly a gateway to the criminal justice system. This phenomenon is a consequence of a culture of zero tolerance that is widespread in our schools and is depriving many children of their fundamental right to an education.”

A wide array of organizations—including the Southern Poverty Law Center, the NAACP and Dignity in Schools—offered testimony during the hearing. They joined representatives from the Departments of Education and Justice to shine a national spotlight on a situation viewed far too often as a local responsibility.

The school-to-prison pipeline starts (or is best avoided) in the classroom. When combined with zero-tolerance policies, a teacher’s decision to refer students for punishment can mean they are pushed out of the classroom—and much more likely to be introduced into the criminal justice system.

Think anyone going to claim this idea today ?


Try and stay on topic Monte.


The most dangerous mammal on this earth the adolescent human male !
Human beings are culture-bearing primates that are both anatomically similar and closely related to the

One thing that cannot be argued is that human beings are the world’s most efficient killers of other humans. Globally, an estimated 56 million people die per year when all causes of death are considered. Roughly 526,000 people are killed by armed violence. Roughly 75% of these deaths are classified as intentional homicides. In addition, some 54,000 humans succumb to unintentional violent deaths, and 55,000 people die per year as a result of war and terrorism.

And you want to handy cap our nation by not taking advantage of what nature and progressives have blessed us with ?