The Rabbit Hole


HaHa. Folks don’t have a problem defining my political positioning. Flag wav’in, gun tot’in constitutional conservative – and still willing to defend it to the death. :laughing:




…but we understand hand symbols!


…and we’ve seen a thesaurus!


Where are you?:earth_asia::earth_americas::earth_africa:


What’s another word for thesaurus?


I think you do not understand the title ‘Classical Liberal’… That is not difficult to do because some years ago the left as they always do, co-opted the name and called themselves… Liberals… then when that became a dirty word they called themselves progressives… and most recently they are trying to morph their identity into something called ‘Democratic Socialists’… but at the end of the day they are leftists.

Classic Liberal identifies a group of people who’d political ideology advocates civil liberties under the rule of law with an emphasis on economic freedom… In the US that is closely aligned with our constitution.

I am assuming that you are a UK citizen … Yes? … I will say this about UK conservatism… They never met a socialist idea that they don’t secretly embrace… as for the sovereignty of Brexit… I think you will find that regardless of being in or out of the EU, Britain has succumbed to the Globalist agenda and is most certainly a socialist country…

I am waiting for the rest of the world to figure out how they are going to pay for the REAL cost of medical R&D… those costs are absorbed by the US customer … as are a large part of Europe’s defense. When the socialist system of Europe figures out that R&D really costs much more than the negotiated prices they pay… you think your taxes are high now…


Yeah… I’ve noticed either you are Labour… a dyed in the wool socialist… a Liberal democrat … a dyed in the wool socialist with eco tendencies… or you are Conservative… a dyed in the wool socialist attempting to fend conservatism… At lease conservatism as we know it in the US…


I’m a Thatcher’s child. You don’t hear that nowadays, it’s called extreme far right.


It’s called being a proper conservative


I thought that was being a neoconservative. I more align to the views of Enoch Powell which makes me proper far right nowadays.

“As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River foaming with much blood’. That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the 20th century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”


Two terms as president hasn’t been nice to any president…


You will have to explain that to me in American English if you will…


An amount of the R&D already is performed in Europe …why? …the engineers and bio-technologists in Europe are cheaper than in the US of A. Also some of the regional control bodies offer incentives to Big Pharma if they set up R&D facilities in the UK, and they are not always around Cambridge or Oxford. Using our tax £s of course.

I am a Capitalist …I have no time for jealous grabbers nor whingers with a ‘not fair’ attitude. You, Scott, focus on some valid points which boil down to the eternal struggle which is life. Everywhere there are people whose first concern is their own circumstances, this is a primordial gene present in us from way back. Just because somebody cut down all the trees doesn’t mean that we do not still live in a jungle.

The plight of the ‘have-nots’ is a convenient tool for the manipulators. To assist them is noble, but family first.


Two great nations divided by a common language. There is room for slightly different meanings to the term conservative between the UK and the USA. In the UK proper Conservatism (AKA Thatcherism) could be defined by Thatcher’s own beliefs “Mrs Thatcher believed that societies have to encourage and reward the risk-takers, the entrepreneurs, who alone create the wealth without which governments cannot do anything, let alone help the weak. A country can prosper only by encouraging people to save and to spend no more than they earn; profligacy (and, even worse, borrowing) were her road to perdition. The essence of Thatcherism was a strong state and a free economy.” This couples with the belief that Socialism and Communism are both evil empires


How does that square with the NHS… or is it the third rail political subject that US Social Security is?. I see very little of Thatcherism exposing itself in todays political world… I do see a lot of globalist centric thinking though. From Blair to May… I only see a nanny state. John Major said of Brexit that they were undoing the greatest legacy of Thatcher which was being part of the common market… of course their is a huge difference between the free trading of the common market of yore and the and the EC bureaucracy of today…


There is good and bad to the NHS, but the abuse, incompetence and the runaway costs are now just ridiculous, worse still, no one is prepared to tackle the core issues of the NHS, it’s like some sacred cow. Social policies under the Conservatives are not the same as, Socialism under the Labour government. Thatcherism is only visible in a few Conservatives and one of the most prominent proponents is Jacob Rees-Mogg, a Thatcherite and true Conservative thinker


-What’s another word for thesaurus?


Here in the states neoconservatives or neocons are wolves in sheeps clothing. The Bill Clinton administration was filled with them as well as GW Bush administration. Hillary is one too. Both parties have them. In the Republican Party we call them RINOS, (Republican in name only). Fakes.
The Tea party (which members are basically patriots), is trying to weed them out. One by one. Neocons are the deep state, they serve the military industrial complex and the banking cartel.
Labels! Labels to confuse the masses and leave governing in the hands of criminals.


That’s why both sides hate Trump and the Americans who elected him. We were finally given an option that wasn’t more of the same and who wasn’t part of their club.